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| 00:00:05 | brixen | rue: yes, but this isn't a bug, it's behavior in p114 that fails in p111 |
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| 00:01:49 | rue | An altogether NEW behaviour? |
| 00:02:36 | rue | I guess if it is just a changed one (return nil instead of false or something) then there really is no suitable guard |
| 00:03:19 | rue | brixen: Still waiting to download the, ah, fixed version that will work better on a non-Mac |
| 00:03:39 | brixen | rue: ahh |
| 00:04:34 | brixen | rue: yeah, the issue is, p114 is recommended because of a vulnerability in webrick, but we haven't caught up on the specs |
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| 00:05:56 | headius | damn you internet |
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| 00:41:22 | hoopy | wow, you guys are trying to provide feature parity with a moving target |
| 00:41:52 | brixen | hoopy: but we can move faster :) |
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| 00:43:41 | headius | well, considering that 1.8 is barely moving at all, I'd say you're right |
| 00:44:43 | agardiner | headius: you targeting 1.9 features yet? |
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| 01:14:09 | drbrain | agardiner: ping |
| 01:14:25 | agardiner | drbrain: pong |
| 01:15:07 | drbrain | agardiner: I'm seeing `rake spec` hang on Help#execute |
| 01:15:29 | drbrain | because it loads the readline shared object, which gets stuck in #ioctl |
| 01:15:50 | drbrain | agardiner: and, it seems that Help#execute is from the debugger |
| 01:16:01 | drbrain | ... and I was going to exclude it until Readline is fixed |
| 01:16:07 | drbrain | err, ioctl() |
| 01:16:20 | agardiner | yeah, Help#execute just returns output showing the help message for each debugger command |
| 01:16:29 | drbrain | is that ok with you? |
| 01:16:30 | agardiner | kind of surprising it hangs there |
| 01:16:37 | agardiner | yeah, no problem |
| 01:16:57 | drbrain | well, you just exposed the bug, that's all |
| 01:16:57 | agardiner | it's a pretty brainless test |
| 01:17:27 | agardiner | accidentally... there's no reason why Help should depend on readline |
| 01:17:46 | agardiner | although its probably included because it is used by the Debugger |
| 01:20:15 | drbrain | ah |
| 01:20:32 | drbrain | just wanted to give you a heads-up |
| 01:20:46 | rue | Can make the Readline optional |
| 01:20:50 | agardiner | so does this mean readline is not working? |
| 01:22:09 | drbrain | agardiner: it has something to do with being called from inside rake |
| 01:22:31 | agardiner | hmm... |
| 01:22:31 | drbrain | as `rake spec` hangs, in Init_readline(), but bin/mspec ci -tr does not |
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| 01:23:22 | agardiner | have we had (do we have?) two different readlines? one ruby and one ext? |
| 01:24:05 | drbrain | I don't know |
| 01:24:09 | agardiner | i see three! |
| 01:24:21 | agardiner | one in bootstrap, one in lib and one in lib/ext |
| 01:24:47 | headius | there's a ruby half |
| 01:25:13 | drbrain | fwiw, this is where I hang: http://rafb.net/p/ihe4lb83.html |
| 01:27:05 | agardiner | ok, it seems there's a C ext and a native Ruby one |
| 01:27:29 | agardiner | and lib/readline tries to load the C ext, but falls back to native if it fails to load |
| 01:29:26 | agardiner | drbrain: that Help#execute test is not doing anything with Readline other than requiring it |
| 01:29:31 | agardiner | (via Debugger) |
| 01:29:43 | drbrain | agardiner: that's all it takes |
| 01:29:44 | agardiner | so if it fails, so will any other Debugger tests |
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| 01:30:49 | drbrain | shitty |
| 01:31:00 | drbrain | and, tagging it as excluded doesn't help |
| 01:31:04 | drbrain | or, failed |
| 01:31:05 | agardiner | and probably anything else that uses readline... |
| 01:31:10 | drbrain | because it requires it first |
| 01:31:38 | agardiner | you could probably get around it by changing the Debugger to require readline-native instead of readline |
| 01:31:51 | agardiner | shouldn't make any real difference to the debugger |
| 01:31:53 | drbrain | agardiner: oh! let me try that |
| 01:32:18 | luislavena | drbrain: silly question, isn't Init_readline calling using_history()? |
| 01:32:33 | drbrain | luislavena: I don't know |
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| 01:33:36 | luislavena | drbrain: from the code, it seems so, and that is calling the rl_initialize... |
| 01:33:49 | luislavena | I had several issues with readline in the past... and right now too :P |
| 01:34:25 | luislavena | mostly due redirected IO, it seems don't play nice with them. |
| 01:34:25 | drbrain | luislavena: above is my paste with the code path it gets stuck on |
| 01:35:21 | luislavena | drbrain: yep, it sounds quite familiar... |
| 01:35:56 | drbrain | agardiner: readline-native fixed it |
| 01:36:00 | agardiner | great! |
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| 01:39:54 | boyscout | 1 commit by Eric Hodel |
| 01:39:55 | boyscout | * Use readline-native as readline causes rake spec to hang in ioctl.; a3986c0 |
| 01:41:12 | agardiner | drbrain: have you created a ticket for the readline bug? :-) |
| 01:41:22 | drbrain | agardiner: um, no |
| 01:44:28 | drbrain | agardiner: I made myself a TODO, as I fear it will be "hard" to reproduce |
| 01:45:24 | agardiner | at least we have a spec that will trigger it! :-D |
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| 01:49:27 | rubuildius_ppc | Eric Hodel: a3986c019; 1723 files, 5820 examples, 19848 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors; http://pastie.caboo.se/paste/161562 |
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| 03:26:42 | headius | http://lists.ironpython.com/pipermail/users-ironpython.com/2006-June/002500.html |
| 03:26:45 | headius | er, oops |
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| 04:14:45 | drbrain | Damn you IO |
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| 04:38:46 | headius | drbrain: fun with IO? |
| 04:39:01 | drbrain | headius: yeah |
| 04:39:05 | drbrain | I fixed it |
| 04:39:13 | headius | what was it? |
| 04:39:26 | drbrain | IO#seek didn't cleare the internal EOF flag |
| 04:39:43 | headius | ahh yeah, I ran into that too |
| 04:40:03 | headius | I've grown tired of reading glibc code, but I think we've mostly got it all where it should be |
| 04:40:04 | agardiner | is this the readline bug? or something different? |
| 04:40:26 | drbrain | agardiner: different |
| 04:40:37 | agardiner | ah, k |
| 04:41:05 | drbrain | for example, in a ten byte file, if you did io.read 5; io.pos; io.read 5 you'd get nil for the last read |
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| 04:42:29 | agardiner | fun... :-P |
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| 08:08:30 | dbussink | morning |
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| 08:16:09 | be9 | hi dbussink |
| 08:16:21 | VVSiz | morning indeed :) |
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| 08:21:20 | dbussink | guess the (wannabe) aussies are all gone already? :) |
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| 08:37:46 | rue | Morning |
| 08:37:52 | rue | dbussink: Were you vacationing? |
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| 08:50:27 | dbussink | rue: yeah, went a week to barcelona |
| 08:50:39 | dbussink | now i'm suffering the cold here again :P |
| 08:56:54 | rue | Ah! |
| 08:57:14 | rue | Barcelona is great--particularly if you are a fellow Gaudi fan? |
| 08:58:17 | dbussink | yeah, made some really nice stuff |
| 08:58:24 | dbussink | also like the miro museum |
| 08:58:30 | rue | Yep |
| 08:58:34 | dbussink | the macba was a bit over the top for me :p |
| 08:58:44 | rue | Barcelona is my favourite of the big cities in Spain |
| 08:58:45 | dbussink | lovely building though |
| 08:58:55 | dbussink | also went to a soccer match :) |
| 08:59:05 | dbussink | pretty cool to sit with 100.000 people in camp nou |
| 08:59:17 | rue | Yep, definitely a nice experiene |
| 08:59:21 | rue | Experience* |
| 08:59:29 | rue | Serie A is even more intense though :P |
| 08:59:40 | dbussink | hehe |
| 08:59:54 | rue | I am heading for bed. Starting Thursday I should have more IRC time again--catch you later! |
| 09:00:10 | dbussink | well, i've played soccer for quite some time, until i got problems with my knee |
| 09:00:12 | dbussink | night! |
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| 16:01:29 | dbussink | almost 7 hours of silence, that's pretty impressive :P |
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| 16:02:29 | headius | zenspider: ping |
| 16:02:30 | djwhitt | man, you just ruined it |
| 16:02:39 | headius | actually, didn't you? |
| 16:03:41 | djwhitt | egad, you're right |
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| 16:11:32 | dbussink | well, i feel like i at least triggered something :) |
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| 16:12:33 | headius | heheh |
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| 16:13:02 | headius | hopefully things won't be too quiet in here with the sprint on and evan on the other side of the clock |
| 16:13:37 | dbussink | yeah, that's pretty annoying :0 |
| 16:13:42 | dbussink | missing out all the fun |
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| 16:17:37 | djwhitt | slightly off topic but this is cool: http://codepad.org/ |
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| 16:21:48 | dbussink | headius_: do something about that peer guy :) |
| 16:22:37 | headius | yeah, I don't know what's up |
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| 18:03:01 | headius | did just evan go to AU? |
| 18:05:05 | Defiler | eric went as well |
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| 18:09:09 | headius | ok |
| 18:09:24 | headius | hmm, no zenspider yet |
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| 18:10:47 | headius | I wanted to show him this: http://pastie.caboo.se/pastes/161826 |
| 18:11:08 | Defiler | hot |
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| 18:18:19 | jacen | java :/ |
| 18:19:06 | dbussink | headius: what the bottleneck there? |
| 18:19:21 | dbussink | headius: or nothing specifically? |
| 18:19:22 | headius | bottleneck? |
| 18:19:26 | lopex | bottleneck ? |
| 18:19:30 | headius | you mean why isn't JRuby as fast as Java? |
| 18:19:40 | headius | because I'm gonna have to smack you around if you do |
| 18:19:50 | lopex | I woudnt be surprised ths java vesion is actually faster than c |
| 18:20:11 | djwhitt | I would be |
| 18:20:13 | djwhitt | at least for this case |
| 18:20:34 | dbussink | headius: be nice ;) |
| 18:20:47 | headius | the Java version using primitives is probably the biggest difference |
| 18:20:59 | headius | Java ends up jitting that into straight-up integer math |
| 18:21:19 | dbussink | ah ok, jruby wraps it all up in objects or whatever? |
| 18:21:27 | headius | yeah, "fully boxed" as they say |
| 18:22:18 | scoopr | somehow I read that "fully buxored" |
| 18:22:23 | dbussink | and what when you write it using Integer etc? or does java optimize that away? |
| 18:22:38 | headius | I believe it optimized away in many cases |
| 18:22:51 | headius | depends on how complex the code is and whether you do things with Integer that need it to remain boxed |
| 18:24:33 | brixen | headius: how does rbx compare on that machine with the ruby fib? |
| 18:24:56 | headius | I'll give it a try |
| 18:25:13 | headius | rbx has some specific optz for math, so it's probably not bad |
| 18:25:25 | brixen | yeah, the meta + ops |
| 18:25:29 | headius | yep |
| 18:25:42 | headius | we haven't added any of that yet |
| 18:25:43 | brixen | and our fixnums are kinda between boxed and unboxed |
| 18:25:50 | dbussink | headius: so no math optz in jruby yet? |
| 18:25:56 | headius | none at all |
| 18:25:57 | dbussink | i'm too slow :) |
| 18:26:47 | lopex | and Fixnums are huge objects |
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| 18:27:01 | headius | rbx is about 6.38s |
| 18:27:11 | brixen | hah, seriously? |
| 18:27:20 | headius | varies between 6.38 and 6.51 on this run |
| 18:27:25 | dbussink | looks like something needs profiling :) |
| 18:27:37 | headius | that's pretty good, MRI is in the 16 range |
| 18:27:51 | headius | jruby and yarv are nearly the same |
| 18:27:58 | headius | with normal JRuby settings anyway |
| 18:28:13 | lopex | headius: imagine lightweight Integers and specialized opts |
| 18:28:41 | headius | yeah I know |
| 18:29:00 | headius | dbussink: actually we do have fast math optz but they're not enabled by default |
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| 18:29:09 | headius | with all experimental optz turned on jruby's closer to 3s |
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| 18:30:11 | djwhitt | headius: I'm going to be deploying a JRuby + Rails based app this fall will you guys be running at Java speed by then ? ;) |
| 18:30:35 | headius | yes |
| 18:30:42 | djwhitt | awesome |
| 18:30:42 | djwhitt | hehe |
| 18:30:46 | headius | for some definition of "Java" |
| 18:30:48 | lopex | or even faster |
| 18:30:54 | headius | FASTER THAN JAVA |
| 18:30:54 | headius | yes |
| 18:30:55 | lopex | hehe |
| 18:31:03 | lopex | with asmified regexen! |
| 18:31:21 | lopex | will beat oniguruma by a factor |
| 18:31:25 | headius | heheh |
| 18:31:31 | headius | yeah, I don't doubt that |
| 18:31:33 | lopex | yes! |
| 18:31:41 | lopex | 10x or faster |
| 18:31:44 | headius | once hotspot gets a hold of compiled regex |
| 18:31:48 | headius | crrrrazy |
| 18:31:50 | djwhitt | actually, that makes me wonder, do you guys beat oniguruma now? |
| 18:31:59 | lopex | in some cases |
| 18:32:27 | lopex | mostly when more specialized bytecodes are involved |
| 18:32:36 | djwhitt | hotspot = magic |
| 18:32:46 | lopex | like a*b |
| 18:32:50 | headius | truly |
| 18:33:08 | lopex | it used ssa long before gcc did |
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| 18:34:22 | lopex | and my head is broken by hotspot sources now :/ |
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| 18:35:40 | Defiler | Is it just me, or does a full build (rake distclean build) take a lot longer now than it once did? |
| 18:35:53 | headius | define "once"? |
| 18:35:58 | dbussink | i think it is because of libffi that needs to be built |
| 18:36:05 | headius | you guys keep adding more libraries, so I'd expect it to get longer |
| 18:36:06 | Defiler | headius: a month ago |
| 18:37:07 | brixen | Defiler: libffi slowed down FFI by about 5-6 sec, i.e. on my machine bin/mspec ci ran ~30 sec and after libffi runs ~35-6 sec |
| 18:37:25 | dbussink | brixen: he's talking about build time :) |
| 18:37:31 | brixen | dbussink: ok :P |
| 18:40:01 | dbussink | brixen: but those 5 secs extra give a much more stable system |
| 18:40:08 | dbussink | happy to trade for that |
| 18:40:24 | brixen | yeah, agreed |
| 18:40:24 | headius | and hey, a system that might run on windows too |
| 18:41:49 | brixen | dbussink: seen? http://vpri.org/pdf/steps_TR-2007-008.pdf |
| 18:42:08 | brixen | dbussink: the revolution that will make 100k loc of java and C++ obsolete :D |
| 18:42:58 | dbussink | brixen: still downloading... |
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| 18:44:57 | Defiler | brixen: I noticed that CI was taking longer, but I assumed it was because specs had been added. Interesting that libffi slowed things down that much |
| 18:45:31 | dbussink | Defiler: number of specs definitely influenced it too |
| 18:45:42 | dbussink | Defiler: i've seen it increase a bit even since libffi was integrated |
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| 19:15:41 | crossblaim | hi |
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| 19:44:39 | headius | any word from down under? |
| 19:44:53 | Defiler | Nope |
| 19:44:53 | dbussink | they're in hiding i gues |
| 19:44:54 | dbussink | guess |
| 19:45:12 | headius | hmm ok |
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| 19:48:57 | brixen | it's only around 7am down under |
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| 19:58:12 | headius | I thought there was already a day of hacking done |
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| 20:01:45 | Defiler | I think that is tomorrow |
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| 20:02:42 | brixen | headius: see the channel title, although for some reason I thought the sprint was 7-8, not 8-9 |
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| 20:03:25 | Defiler | Because it is 7-8 (mostly) in the U.S. |
| 20:03:31 | brixen | ahh ok |
| 20:03:35 | Defiler | It is usually the next day over in AU |
| 20:03:56 | brixen | yeah, currently 7am thurs there |
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