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| 00:10:42 | NoKarma | zenspider: ping |
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| 00:15:41 | fbuilesv | drbrain: did you try the newest version of RbYAML? I know someone's been working on it lately. |
| 00:16:09 | drbrain | fbuilesv: I tried whichever version is in rubinius |
| 00:16:42 | fbuilesv | drbrain: a lot of the bugs have been fixed in their SVN version, I don't know if the author has changed some of the weird code yet though |
| 00:17:07 | fbuilesv | I was gonna update the version included in rbx but the guy in charge of it asked me to wait a bit so he could fix those issues. |
| 00:17:21 | drbrain | we should do a diff of our changes and update |
| 00:18:08 | fbuilesv | I was going to do that originally but the current source version contains a bunch of expressions that rubinius doesn't support |
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| 00:18:51 | fbuilesv | check this out: |
| 00:18:58 | fbuilesv | r45 | spritesun | 2008-06-14 03:45:38 -0500 |
| 00:19:08 | fbuilesv | Merge rbyaml.rb with Rubinius RbYAML . |
| 00:19:45 | fbuilesv | I'm guessing he's still working on that but we might not have to make the changes :) |
| 00:19:47 | drbrain | really? cool! |
| 00:19:54 | drbrain | it makes me feel less-guilty |
| 00:19:57 | fbuilesv | heh |
| 00:21:31 | brixen | cremes: still times out :( |
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| 01:04:31 | te | Howdy folks! |
| 01:05:02 | te | evan: I'm watching your presentation at MountainWest RubyConf 2008 |
| 01:05:39 | defn | I need stuff to do on your project. 3:D |
| 01:06:24 | brixen | heh, yes please do :) |
| 01:06:37 | brixen | defn: btw, evan is on a plane to japan atm |
| 01:06:45 | defn | Not too sure where to start. I am kind of newb still. |
| 01:06:54 | brixen | well, what interests you? |
| 01:06:56 | defn | I just learned about lambda and proc.new |
| 01:07:08 | defn | hmm, music, art, generative systems |
| 01:07:12 | defn | minutae |
| 01:07:15 | brixen | nice :) |
| 01:07:31 | brixen | any favorite ruby programs you use? |
| 01:07:43 | defn | ditz and ticgit are really cool |
| 01:07:51 | defn | camping is fun for the metaprogramming aspects |
| 01:08:02 | brixen | ah, you could try running camping on rubinius |
| 01:08:21 | brixen | we've been meaning to try that |
| 01:08:29 | defn | anyone doing merb or rails? |
| 01:08:31 | defn | i would assume rails |
| 01:08:37 | defn | but how about merb? |
| 01:08:58 | brixen | I think merb pretty much runs |
| 01:09:14 | defn | it's kind of a shaky mess of code IMHO |
| 01:09:17 | brixen | I know ezmobius and wycats both have run it |
| 01:09:45 | brixen | heh, well, I think they take patches too :) |
| 01:10:55 | defn | haha! |
| 01:11:12 | defn | I think I'd like to do something a bit harder than just running an app |
| 01:11:19 | defn | and i say that fully aware of the irony |
| 01:11:25 | defn | see: rubygems on rubinius |
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| 01:11:50 | defn | but i guess im kind of looking for a Summer of Code level project |
| 01:12:00 | defn | maybe something someone would like to work on together? |
| 01:12:10 | brixen | drbrain: known issue? http://pastie.org/217670 |
| 01:12:31 | drbrain | brixen: something broke in zlib.rb :( |
| 01:12:35 | brixen | drbrain: ok |
| 01:12:41 | drbrain | I'm going to look at it today or tomorrow |
| 01:12:49 | brixen | k |
| 01:13:41 | brixen | defn: are you into compiler stuff? we could use a project that does some opts on the generated bytecode |
| 01:14:12 | brixen | defn: maybe some common expression elimination or something to start |
| 01:14:22 | defn | i really have no idea what what you mean by that, but im interested in whatever is going to be hard and interesting enough to hold my interest |
| 01:14:37 | defn | im interested in compilers, but i have absolutely no experience with them |
| 01:14:40 | defn | aside from compiling my own code |
| 01:15:56 | defn | i dont mean to bug you -- i know you're not a rubinius guidance counselor |
| 01:16:01 | brixen | heh |
| 01:16:27 | defn | just trying to get in there and help |
| 01:16:33 | brixen | pretty much rubinius is your canvas, you can do as much or as little as you want |
| 01:16:59 | brixen | another possible project, enhance the GC to be concurrent so there is not a long stop-the-world pause during GC |
| 01:17:25 | defn | ooo concurrency sounds neat |
| 01:17:32 | defn | what is GC |
| 01:17:43 | MenTaLguY | concurrent garbage collection is *hard* |
| 01:17:45 | brixen | garbage collecotr |
| 01:17:50 | defn | oh christ |
| 01:17:50 | brixen | ack collector |
| 01:18:01 | MenTaLguY | *very hard* |
| 01:18:03 | brixen | sorry, meant incremental |
| 01:18:03 | defn | i started programming ruby to avoid malloc |
| 01:18:07 | brixen | forget I said concurrent |
| 01:18:09 | defn | dont get me started |
| 01:18:14 | brixen | that's a different thing altogether |
| 01:18:32 | defn | concurrency is *hard* in and of itself |
| 01:18:35 | MenTaLguY | yes, incremental GCs are a bit less scary |
| 01:18:39 | brixen | defn: but if you want to play with concurrency, see e.g. spec/library/actor and spec/library/vmactor |
| 01:19:02 | brixen | MenTaLguY: our setup should allow for incremental GC pretty easily |
| 01:19:07 | brixen | for some values of easy |
| 01:19:10 | defn | how do i get commit rights? |
| 01:19:15 | defn | just submit a pull request? |
| 01:19:16 | wycats | defn: you makin' fun of Merb :P |
| 01:19:18 | wycats | shaky mess of code |
| 01:19:18 | brixen | submit a patch that is accepted |
| 01:19:20 | wycats | pffft |
| 01:19:26 | wycats | at least it's only 4,000 lines of shaky code |
| 01:19:29 | wycats | not 100k loc |
| 01:19:29 | defn | wycats: :D *love* |
| 01:19:29 | fbuilesv | haha |
| 01:19:36 | wycats | 100k losk |
| 01:19:39 | wycats | :P |
| 01:19:54 | defn | wycats: i kid i kid -- i like merb, i just havent gotten down to playing with it |
| 01:19:59 | defn | im used to rails and im afraid of losing my crutches |
| 01:20:12 | MenTaLguY | I think I'd rather use Merb than Rails, but from the code I've seen it does need some help even so |
| 01:20:12 | defn | the 90k lines of crutches |
| 01:20:15 | wycats | defn: feel free to bash me |
| 01:20:18 | wycats | s/me/merb |
| 01:20:24 | defn | well in that case: |
| 01:20:28 | defn | wycats is an asshole. |
| 01:20:42 | wycats | we take criticism seriously |
| 01:20:46 | wycats | :( |
| 01:20:48 | wycats | s/wycats/merb |
| 01:20:50 | wycats | that merb... |
| 01:21:14 | defn | him and his silly little framework... he's like why, only without the artsy kindergarten teacher website design |
| 01:21:24 | defn | btw, whats up with merbcast? |
| 01:21:28 | defn | ive been checking in on it |
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| 01:22:44 | defn | wycats: seriously though i was just talking out of my ass -- ive been looking at merb a lot lately |
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| 01:22:52 | defn | i think it's a great project |
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| 01:24:07 | wycats | defn: we're working hard on making it kick-ass for 1.0 |
| 01:24:14 | wycats | I've been working on unicode support lately :) |
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| 01:25:13 | defn | wycats: could you answer me this? i got a mess of gems -- more or less everything with merb* |
| 01:25:25 | defn | i run merb my_app, and it doesn't work |
| 01:25:28 | defn | so i use merb-gen my_app |
| 01:25:36 | dalee | defn: use merb-gen app my_app |
| 01:25:37 | defn | and it makes my app, without a script dir, and some other essentials |
| 01:25:50 | defn | dalee: nod |
| 01:26:05 | defn | its just odd because many of the tutorials use merb my_app, which seems kind of intuitive |
| 01:26:17 | defn | but i didnt understand why script/ was missing |
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| 01:26:56 | dalee | merb is changing very quickly so tutorials get outdated quickly |
| 01:27:08 | dalee | although it seems to have stabilized recently |
| 01:27:20 | defn | nod |
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| 01:29:08 | wycats | defn: merb-gen is an all-purpose binary |
| 01:29:16 | wycats | it also serves as script/generate in Rails |
| 01:29:28 | wycats | and people were complaining that they would do merb-gen hell (instead of help) and get a hell app |
| 01:29:28 | defn | ah-ha! |
| 01:29:41 | defn | wycats: hahaa |
| 01:29:46 | wycats | or merb-gen controler and get a controler app |
| 01:30:00 | wycats | so we require merb-gen app now |
| 01:30:01 | defn | pipe the args to aspell? |
| 01:30:05 | wycats | defn: haha |
| 01:30:05 | defn | ;) |
| 01:30:44 | defn | im not trying to be an asshole |
| 01:30:51 | defn | but i dont understand how so many programmers are illiterate |
| 01:31:07 | defn | im working on a project and work, and have of my commits are spelling changes across the entire application |
| 01:31:12 | defn | at* |
| 01:31:20 | defn | half* |
| 01:31:22 | defn | jesus |
| 01:31:30 | defn | im becoming what i hate... |
| 01:31:35 | wycats | I dont understnd how so meny programers are iliterite |
| 01:32:06 | wycats | at least I capitalized my "I" :P |
| 01:32:39 | wycats | thinks he made defn maaad |
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| 01:33:02 | MenTaLguY | incidentally, are github watches for particular branches, or projects as a whole? |
| 01:33:40 | wycats | I think you can watch a particular file |
| 01:34:32 | MenTaLguY | the reason I'm wondering is since a few people are watching concurrent, but I'm pushing to other branches besides master right now |
| 01:34:50 | MenTaLguY | wondering if they're seeing the recent activity |
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| 01:47:32 | drbrain | well, at least this zstream warning is easy to spot |
| 01:47:38 | drbrain | err, reproduce |
| 01:48:21 | wycats | drbrain: have you seen rewrite? |
| 01:50:04 | drbrain | rewrite? |
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| 01:53:58 | drbrain | wycats: ... |
| 01:54:34 | defn | how do i get an invite to the ticket tracker |
| 01:54:53 | drbrain | I think brixen might have that power |
| 01:55:15 | defn | i just wanted to add a quick note on the common build errors that you need bison |
| 01:59:32 | wycats | drbrain: http://rewrite.rubyforge.org/ |
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| 02:00:14 | defn | i guess the bison thing is already in the requirenebts |
| 02:00:17 | defn | requirements |
| 02:00:40 | drbrain | it's in INSTALL, but it not be obvious enough |
| 02:01:23 | defn | im just doing the reactive `rake build`, `sudo apt-get install xyz`, `rake build` |
| 02:01:38 | defn | meh, whatever you guys think |
| 02:02:15 | drbrain | defn: well, INSTALL may be a bad place for some of that documentation |
| 02:02:40 | drbrain | I'd rather keep it in git than on the web, since it's easier to keep acurate |
| 02:02:59 | defn | nods |
| 02:03:03 | defn | I wish I could keep my life in git |
| 02:03:15 | defn | 'revert....revert.....revert' |
| 02:03:20 | defn | ad nauseum |
| 02:05:05 | defn | ls |
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| 02:06:19 | drbrain | wycats: that's pretty neat |
| 02:06:32 | drbrain | heading home |
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| 02:13:01 | wycats | drbrain: I would have expected you'd hate is |
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| 02:13:11 | wycats | since parse_tree is "just a toy that we never wanted anyone to use" |
| 02:13:12 | wycats | hehe |
| 02:13:12 | wycats | ;) |
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| 03:24:29 | boyscout | 1 commit by Chuck Remes |
| 03:24:30 | boyscout | * Fix context so 'defined? self::FOO' is evaluated correctly; 3bccd39 |
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| 03:30:08 | cremes | how can i 'git format-patch' within spec/ruby so i can submit a rubyspec patch? git format-patch doesn't see the change while git status does |
| 03:38:47 | MenTaLguY | you need to commit before formatting |
| 03:39:03 | MenTaLguY | git-format-patch works from the delta between your local HEAD and some reference point |
| 03:40:05 | cremes | MenTaLguY: i ran 'git commit -a' prior to trying format-patch but it doesn't see the change. since i ran the commit, now git status doesn't see the change any more |
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| 03:40:26 | rubuildius_ppc | Chuck Remes: 3bccd39ba; 2451 files, 8143 examples, 27595 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 03:40:36 | MenTaLguY | well you need to tell git-format-patch what your reference point for generating the patch is |
| 03:40:51 | cremes | like HEAD^ ? |
| 03:40:55 | MenTaLguY | yes |
| 03:41:19 | cremes | that did it! i'll submit the ticket to rubyspec and get my committer bit |
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| 03:43:00 | MenTaLguY | cool |
| 03:43:03 | MenTaLguY | glad I could help |
| 03:43:22 | cremes | many thanks... |
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| 03:55:02 | rubuildius_amd64 | Chuck Remes: 3bccd39ba; 2451 files, 8144 examples, 27575 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
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| 04:20:35 | cremes | brixen: don't know why it is timing out for you; if it still doesn't work i will schedule a restart |
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| 04:26:12 | fbuilesv | cremes: Just applied your patch to Rubyspecs, talk to brixen to get your bit and reference 1f7ea06be :) |
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| 04:39:34 | brixen | cremes: what's your github user? |
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| 04:40:17 | brixen | btw, anyone who has a rubinius bit automatically gets a rubyspec bit, I just need to know your github username |
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| 05:12:23 | wycats | brixen: I'm wycats :P |
| 05:16:53 | MenTaLguY | no, I'm Spartacus |
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| 05:21:53 | wycats | I AMMMMM Spartacus |
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| 05:30:52 | brixen | wycats: added |
| 05:31:02 | brixen | MenTaLguY: can't find Spartacus :P |
| 05:31:14 | wycats | brixen: ha |
| 05:32:22 | MenTaLguY | heh heh |
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| 16:46:03 | boyscout | 1 commit by Wilson Bilkovich |
| 16:46:04 | boyscout | * Vastly more awesome caller/stack-trace implementation; 5ab4467 |
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| 16:50:55 | Defiler | Can anyone think of a reason why I shouldn't split kernel/core/context.rb up into kernel/core/method_context.rb, block_context.rb, and block_environment.rb? |
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| 17:00:55 | rubuildius_ppc | Wilson Bilkovich: 5ab4467a2; 2451 files, 8143 examples, 27595 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
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| 17:04:24 | rubuildius_amd64 | Wilson Bilkovich: 5ab4467a2; 2451 files, 8144 examples, 27575 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 17:06:54 | boyscout | 2 commits by Wilson Bilkovich |
| 17:06:55 | boyscout | * Split up context.rb into one file per class; 9d5b765 |
| 17:06:56 | boyscout | * Split up kernel/core/context.rb, step 1; 326f27a |
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| 17:21:13 | rubuildius_ppc | Wilson Bilkovich: 9d5b76587; 2451 files, 8143 examples, 27595 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
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| 17:23:17 | fbuilesv | drbrain: ping |
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| 17:46:52 | rubuildius_amd64 | Wilson Bilkovich: 9d5b76587; 2451 files, 8144 examples, 27575 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 17:54:17 | brixen | cremes: added ya on rubyspec |
| 17:54:53 | cremes | brixen: thanks! btw, my isp is blocking access to my IP for some reason which is why we can't ssh into it; i'm working on it |
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| 17:57:29 | brixen | cremes: ah, ok |
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| 18:27:19 | tarcieri | durr, what happened to the "For Business" section on the front page? |
| 18:27:34 | tarcieri | particularly the parts about compiling / packaging Ruby programs? |
| 18:27:47 | dbussink | thank god it's gone ;) |
| 18:27:51 | dbussink | i really hated it |
| 18:28:00 | dbussink | not the packaging part specifically |
| 18:28:14 | tarcieri | haha |
| 18:28:26 | dbussink | but the tone of the text and the intellectual property part... |
| 18:28:37 | tarcieri | heh |
| 18:32:04 | brixen | tarcieri: we ransomed the text for some stroopwafels :) |
| 18:33:01 | dbussink | it was a good bribe :) |
| 18:33:02 | brixen | although, the replacement text is interesting |
| 18:33:19 | brixen | how does "hardware vendor lock-in" affect Ruby? hehe |
| 18:33:26 | dbussink | yeah, that's true |
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| 18:49:19 | dbussink | damn, evan flew business class |
| 18:49:25 | dbussink | he's a spoiled brat now :P |
| 18:50:23 | fbuilesv | dbussink: it's so worth it if you have the money that it's not even funny |
| 18:50:30 | fbuilesv | or at least my back thinks so :) |
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| 18:51:09 | dbussink | fbuilesv: hehe, i'll guess it is yeah |
| 18:51:19 | dbussink | but i'm not that fortunate (yet( |
| 18:51:34 | fbuilesv | I've only done it one or twice, but as a smoker I prefer not to get on planes :) |
| 18:52:00 | dbussink | glad i don't have that problem then :) |
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| 18:52:15 | dbussink | and my legs usually exactly fit so they don't really start to hurt |
| 18:52:38 | dbussink | would be a lot more painful if i was an inch taller i guess |
| 18:53:01 | fbuilesv | I'm probably a dwarf by dutch standards (1.85m) but I still think a bit more space for the legs would be nice |
| 18:53:06 | fbuilesv | that and plains for smokers :P |
| 18:53:46 | dbussink | would definitely be nice |
| 18:53:59 | dbussink | but it's not that i'm really suffering |
| 18:54:10 | dbussink | and i'm just a tiny bit taller than 1.85 |
| 18:54:21 | fbuilesv | that's true, it's not like you'll lose your legs or anything :) |
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| 20:25:40 | drbrain | I have a feeling that a tiny bit more shell script magic could make git bisect even easier |
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| 20:30:57 | drbrain | I don't believe git bisect led me to the change I think I wanted |
| 20:31:04 | drbrain | how do I checkout to an arbitrary revision? |
| 20:31:49 | VVSiz | git co 3432424234234324 |
| 20:31:54 | VVSiz | co = checkout |
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| 20:35:59 | fbuilesv | drbrain: according to the RbYAML mantainer the current version on SVN merged all the considerable changes that Rubinius did so you can have fun with it if you want |
| 20:36:42 | drbrain | fbuilesv: today I am trying to figure out why zlib.rb.in is complaining about stream closing |
| 20:36:53 | fbuilesv | it's fine, just wanted to let you know :) |
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| 21:52:41 | drbrain | today is going to take forever |
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| 22:08:15 | nexcastellan | drbain: But tomorrow is Friday. |
| 22:08:30 | nexcastellan | bain = brain |
| 22:10:09 | drbrain | nexcastellan: mostly, I am waiting for rake distclean; rake to finish |
| 22:11:09 | nexcastellan | I managed to track down my bug to a call to rb_funcall. Then I managed to eliminate rb_funcall as a source of the problem. [sigh] |
| 22:11:32 | nexcastellan | With extensions, does anything get run BEFORE Init_whatever? |
| 22:11:44 | drbrain | no |
| 22:11:54 | nexcastellan | yes would have been more helpful. [sigh] |
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| 22:57:30 | boyscout | 1 commit by Eric Hodel |
| 22:57:31 | boyscout | * Fix warning about closing unfinished zstream.; 15ed00a |
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| 23:03:29 | brixen | hmm, anyone object to me putting the mspec sources directly in the rubyspec repo rather than having it separate? |
| 23:03:57 | brixen | the problem is, I've tried several ways to split the helpers, guards, and special matchers out so that you don't need mspec to run the rubyspecs with rspec |
| 23:04:07 | brixen | there's really not a good way to do it |
| 23:04:40 | brixen | so, since mspec is really just intended to be used with rubyspec, seems easier all around if it's included directly |
| 23:05:21 | brixen | you can still install mspec as a gem if desired |
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| 23:10:26 | rubuildius_ppc | Eric Hodel: 15ed00a4e; 2451 files, 8143 examples, 27595 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
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| 23:22:59 | drbrain | brixen: I say you should make your life as easy as possible |
| 23:23:33 | brixen | drbrain: heh, my life is easiest when the protests from others quiets to a dull roar :P |
| 23:24:04 | drbrain | after a while you just forget to take you your earplugs :) |
| 23:24:14 | brixen | I'll just split it for now, 1/2 way in between |
| 23:24:22 | drbrain | I have found the people who do the most complaining do the least contributing |
| 23:24:25 | brixen | a small bit of codedup though |
| 23:24:33 | brixen | heh, that's the truth |
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| 23:43:48 | boyscout | 1 commit by Cezar Sa Espinola |
| 23:43:49 | boyscout | * Fixing small bug in GlobalVariables#set_hook; 7df391c |
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| 23:56:20 | rubuildius_ppc | Cezar Sa Espinola: 7df391c08; 2451 files, 8143 examples, 27595 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |