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00:02:26headiusblasted airport wifi
00:02:28headiuserg
00:02:30headiuswhy am I getting a password prompt trying to git up rbx
00:05:51headiusok, time to go!
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03:48:39drfreezeevan: ping
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04:15:13qrushhi there, looks like i'll ask again
04:15:15qrushhttp://rubinius.lighthouseapp.com/projects/5089/gsoc-08-extending-standard-library-specs
04:15:31qrushI'd love to start working on this list...but I'm not really sure how/where to begin. any suggestions?
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04:25:52antaresqrush: Lighthouse has a lot of info in page, read those to get started
04:26:12qrushI'm really not sure what you're referring to, i would appreciate a link
04:28:25qrushI've been looking through lighthouse and the docs
04:28:35qrushi'm just not sure where to begin, install a gem or go or look at the tickets
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04:33:11qrushPerhaps i'll try tomorrow night, seems to be a bad time for the rubinius folk.
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04:51:42qrushHmm...i don't think that rubygems in rubinius has the same gem repo as normal rubygems
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04:56:39qrushAnd tonight qrush learns that the ruby stdlibs are not gems
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06:43:18masssigh, this sucks
06:44:52qrush?
06:45:12massmephisto, ruby, and rails, in a mexican standoff
06:45:39massand debian removed 1.8.6 from their package repo
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06:49:03ezmobiusyeah these security issues suck
06:49:05massand I was so careful not to upgrade too
06:49:26ezmobiusi wish there was a security *only* patch for 1.8.6p114
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06:51:36massits def. a mess
06:54:57ezmobiusi've got 2000+ VM's to patch :( but p230 causes segfaults
06:55:16dbussinkyeah, it's not really workable this way
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06:56:17massthis is kinda miserable. should I just switch to django until rubinius hits 1.0? ;-)
07:00:39dbussinkezmobius: sounds like a big joy...
07:00:52ezmobiusfor now we're not upgrading people
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07:01:16ezmobiusmight put out a bounty for someone to make a patch to p114 that only fixes sec issues on ruby-core
07:01:50ezmobiuscrazy that they make breaking api changes to a patch level revision
07:01:58ezmobiusand cram them in with the sec patches
07:03:09massand then don't test.
07:05:25massI haven't been especially happy with how MRI is maintained lately
07:07:03ezmobiushmm sweet. looks like the freebsd gusy backported just the security stuff to 1.8.6p111
07:07:05ezmobiushttp://www.freshports.org/lang/ruby18/
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07:10:26massare they delaying public announcement of the issue because of this cluster getting a fix out to people?
07:10:44massnot that it matters at this point :P
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07:16:38ezmobiusits mostly array bounds checking that can lead to buffer overflows
07:16:45ezmobiusand some on string and bugnum as well
07:23:04boyscout1 commit by Gianluigi Spagnuolo
07:23:05boyscout * Added BigDecimal#divmod and BigDecimal#modulo; 47cdb48
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07:27:34rubuildius_ppcGianluigi Spagnuolo: 47cdb480e; 2451 files, 8146 examples, 27600 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
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07:34:14rubuildius_amd64Gianluigi Spagnuolo: 47cdb480e; 2451 files, 8147 examples, 27580 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
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12:26:27rueUgh, what is with the Net today
12:26:58rueBe back in a bit
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12:28:08qrushSo it seems like I'd be more help tacking various bugs/todos in the 1.0 preview list instead of loading up random libs and adding specs
12:28:15qrush*tackling
12:28:30qrushWhats the policy on taking over someone's ticket? is that frowned upon?
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12:44:44qrushI seem to ask questions at the worst times.
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14:07:30gnufiedfor adding a spec, do i need to checkout rubyspec separately and add the spec?
14:07:46gnufiedUNIXSocket.pair seem to be missing
14:11:43ruegnufied: Yes, when it is a Ruby spec
14:12:12ruegnufied: You could also work on the checkout we have in the Rubinius repo but it really seems to work better separately :)
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14:13:23rueqrush|away: Whichever you prefer to work on is fine. For the tickets you would usually want to check with the person to make sure you are not duplicating effort. Otherwise I doubt anyone will bark about less stuff to do :)
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21:40:10reynardInitialized empty Git repository in /home/reynard/projects/rubinius/.git/
21:40:11reynardfatal: Unable to look up git.rubini.us (port 9418) (Name or service not known)
21:40:11reynardfetch-pack from 'git://git.rubini.us/code' failed.
21:40:21reynardAny ideas?
21:40:40Defilerodd. that should just work
21:40:46DefilerIf you want, you can use the github mirror
21:40:50Defilerjust to see if that works
21:41:13reynardOk, I'll try
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21:41:39Defileroh, huh.. the site does appear to be down
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21:43:56reynardGithub mirror is ok.
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21:45:43reynardWhy do you have a rubini.us? As far as I see all the intersting stuff is on lighthouse, anyway.
21:46:03DefilerWell, we have had that site since the beginning
21:46:07Defilerlighthouse is very new
21:46:41drbraingit.rubini.us is working for me
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21:49:41drbrainit looks like github is 39 hours behind, though
21:52:48DefilerThere shouldn't be any commits in the main repo that aren't in the github mirror
21:53:08reynardAh.. So should I reload from rubini.us, anyway?
21:53:32DefilerThat is the canonical URL
21:54:18nexcastellanDefiler: There are commits in the main repo that aren't showing up at http://github.com/evanphx/rubinius/commits/master/
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21:56:24drbrainDefiler: http://git.rubini.us/?p=code;a=log;h=HEAD has the github/master marker 39 hours behind
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22:03:08drbrainConstGenerator must not know about string constants :(
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22:21:44rubuildius_ppcEric Hodel: 56fae744d; 2451 files, 8146 examples, 27600 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
22:22:04drbrainhttp://git.rubini.us/?p=code;a=commitdiff;h=5e7f3503
22:22:07drbrainwoo!
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22:22:16drbrain"Remove last of C code from class Zlib, all FFI now."
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22:23:30drbrainis there a way to load constants via StructGenerator?
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22:25:03drbrainit would be extra sweet if zlib.rb.in didn't depend on platform.rb
22:25:07drbrainerr, zlib.rb
22:25:21drbrain... that I could pick up ZLIB_VERSION that way
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22:28:42ruewycats, anyone: Does merb under any circumstances serve static stuff like the stylesheets or do those always get routed through the server (whether built-in or not)?
22:29:00wycatsrue: we have a static rack handler
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22:30:49ruewycats: Does/would it cause any problems if the server intercepted stuff that is in the public folder?
22:31:42wycatsI'm confused
22:31:53wycatstypically people want the server to handle statics
22:31:56wycatsyou can optionally not
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22:32:04wycatsvia the static handler
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22:33:03ruewycats: public/stylesheets/* and can be served by the server directly without issue? OK
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22:33:12rueJust sanity checking
22:33:13Neelancehi, i've got a question: I try to create a reduced rubinius at the moment, by my main problem ist that this reduced version would not be able to compile itself any more - for the kernel I can still use the stable version, but is it possible somehow to also use a seperate stabe, fully-functional shotgun binary for compiling?
22:33:31Neelanceby = but
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22:33:55drbrainNeelance: currently rubinius uses stable/ to compile itself
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22:34:00drbrainyou could do the same
22:34:05drbrain(or similar)
22:34:19rueNeelance: You mean a VM also though, right?
22:34:23Neelanceright
22:34:37wycatsrue: sure
22:34:45ruewycats: OK, thankes
22:35:34rueNeelance: Currently the VM is built first, and then the stable/ contains the code that runs on that VM.. so you could maybe parameterise the location of the VM executable
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22:37:56rueEh, parameterise the location where the VM and rbcs are copied
22:40:06Neelancemaybe i should modify the compile function in rakelib/rubinius.rb to make it use a vm somewhere else
22:40:12Neelancei'll try
22:41:22drbrainNeelance: sounds about right
22:41:46Neelanceokay
22:42:26Neelancebecause my goal is to first create a very reduced version of rubinius which compiles and runs on my pc and evaluates simple things like "puts 3 + 4;" and then try to port it to a different platform
22:42:58rueWhy?
22:44:18Neelancebecause the platform is very simple, no dynamic linking etc.
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22:45:27Neelanceit's the nintendo wii
22:46:09drbrainSWEET!
22:46:10Neelancemaybe my idea is a litte crazy, but i feel like i should give it a try and it will give me at least a much deeper view into rubinius
22:46:14Neelance^^
22:46:51zenspiderhugs Neelance
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22:48:46twbraythinks Neelance knows how to get hackers' attention
22:49:02Neelance^^
22:49:28Neelancei already got onig running on the wii
22:49:49Neelanceprints out nice sample results ^^
22:49:53zenspiderthis is why I think we need to drop as much C as we can as fast as we can
22:50:08zenspiderNeelance: where are you?
22:50:28Neelancelocation?
22:50:44zenspideryes
22:50:52zenspiderwhere do you live/work/play?
22:50:56Neelancegermany, near düsseldorf
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22:51:22zenspiderdamn... :)
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22:55:42Neelancezenspider, we already talked some months ago (a litte bit) - it was about my rewritten version of ParseTree implemented in ruby itself
22:55:58Neelancemaybe you remember...
22:56:28zenspiderah. yes. for scrubyt or however it is spelled?
22:56:33Neelanceyeah
22:56:42Neelancemore or less
22:56:54zenspideryou're the dirty forker. :P
22:57:02Neelancelol
22:57:11Neelancethis was no real fork
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22:57:31zenspiderwell? you are... I told you I was happy to pull you into the project.
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22:57:45zenspiderwhat are you planning on doing on the wii with rubinius?
22:57:48Neelanceit was an extension to RubyInline and a converted version of ParseTree based on this
22:57:54zenspiderI have NO idea what developing on wii is like
22:58:18Neelancehow else should i have done it?
22:58:22zenspiderright... it's been a while.
22:58:38zenspiderworked with me... I would love help on both projects
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23:01:25Neelancei haven't worked on the two projects any more since then and i am also not involved in scrubyt any more (unfortunately i haven't got the time for all these projects) - but maybe we can pick up some of these again
23:02:05Neelancesomeday ^^
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23:03:09zenspiderNeelance: that's fine.
23:03:26zenspiderI'd still be interested in looking into merging the two ideas together
23:03:38Neelanceyeah
23:03:45zenspiderNeelance: so again, what are you planning on doing on the wii? what's the programming model like?
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23:05:06Neelancemy first goal is to get a simple version of rubinius running on the wii and then I could maybe add ruby-interfaces for the graphic functions of the wii
23:05:31zenspiderthat would be bad ass...
23:06:01zenspiderdo they have a developer simulator? or do you have to do everything via usb thumbdrives or something?
23:06:26Neelancethere is a nice thing called "wiiload"
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23:07:12zenspidergoogles
23:07:13Neelanceit is a TCP interface of the homebrew channel (installed with a hack), which allows you to upload and start binaries from your pc with a simple script
23:07:17zenspiderthat's pretty rad
23:07:40Neelancei intend to do some similar thing on the ruby layer
23:08:33zenspiderok... that shit runs on my mac... now I'm getting an itch
23:08:43Neelancehttp://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wiiload
23:08:58zenspideryeah... reading that
23:09:39Neelancehere is a video of the homebrew channel: http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Channel
23:09:54zenspiderno no no no no ... no more new projects damnit...
23:10:13Neelance(this sounds familiar... xD)
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23:13:24qrushI'm looking into what i can contribute and i'm really looking for a place to begin
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23:13:52nexcastellanqrush, I got started recently by fixing a ticket and attaching a patch. Seemed to be well received.
23:14:42cremesqrush: also, try loading and playing with your favorite gems; if they don't work, submit specs and patches
23:14:56qrushAlright, that sounds good
23:14:58cremesi did that recently with arrayfields
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23:15:16zenspiderNeelance: that looks pretty cool
23:15:24zenspiderqrush: whatcha want?
23:15:25qrushI was looking through this list: http://rubinius.lighthouseapp.com/projects/5089/gsoc-08-extending-standard-library-specs
23:15:37qrushi noticed a hole in the abbrev spec so i updated that, but is that enough for a patch?
23:16:00qrushI think I'd rather go to work on the tickets though :)
23:16:23zenspiderqrush: for GSoC tix, I would frown upon taking those... since those are student projects
23:16:31zenspiderbut, talk to them and see
23:16:44qrushwell, i am a college student ;)
23:16:55zenspiderfor anything else, if it isn't open, add a note saying you'd like to snipe it and I bet it is fine
23:17:05zenspideryes, but they're on GSoC and you're not. :P
23:17:15qrushso open tickets are fair game for anyone really?
23:17:31qrushzenspider: ahh, i didn't know that Rubinius had a gsoc student...I didn't see the project in the list.
23:17:50zenspiderno, new ones are. I assign tix out to the core devs, but we obviously don't work on all of them at once
23:17:51nexcastellanqrush, Rubinius is pretty easy going. The worst that can happen is that the person who "owns" the ticket has already done the work and has a patch ready to go, and so your work is wasted.
23:18:14nexcastellanBut in most cases, if you can produce a patch and send it in, the "owner" probably hasn't started work on it yet.
23:18:32zenspiderqrush: I'm only guessing based on the title and description of the project... I dunno who is working on GSoC or who the mentor is
23:18:36qrushWell honestly at this point I just want to dive in and learn how things work.
23:18:49zenspideryeah. I'm only suggesting the note so you don't waste your time duplicating efforts
23:18:59zenspiderthen again, if you're just digging in to learn, by all means.
23:19:06qrushWell, I want to contribute :)
23:19:08zenspiderqrush: anything in particular you'd like to work on?
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23:19:34qrushzenspider: I'm sort of new to BDD in general (TDD too) so writing specs is ok, really anything ruby based. My c-fu is weak
23:19:54zenspiderfair... my c-fu is pretty stale too
23:20:04zenspiderany area you're interested in?
23:20:09qrushMy background lies mostly with web development and .net dev, so i'm looking to branch out a bit here.
23:20:16zenspideryou a parser freak, or network freak or anything?
23:20:22zenspiderok
23:20:24qrushHonestly I don't know yet. :|
23:20:56bhbI submitted my first patch (ticket #612) on Friday. Is there anything else I need to do to get it committed?
23:21:20zenspiderwell... rake todo shows specs that are excluded because they don't pass... if you want to get your hands dirty, that is an easy way to find stuff to work on
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23:21:26zenspiderbhb__: lemme go take a look
23:21:45bhbCool thanks. I got good feedback on my patch from drbrain here on Friday
23:22:09nexcastellanqrush, one area you MAY find interesting is reimplementing hash tables entirely in Ruby code. Or, well, maybe that's what *I* would find interesting, but I'm busy on other stuff at the moment. :)
23:22:36qrushis that ideal for a beginner though? :|
23:22:55qrushzenspider: looks like a lot of specs don't pass, i could look into it.
23:22:57nexcastellanHave you done much Ruby code before?
23:23:08qrushI've been messing with Ruby and Rails for a good 3-4 months now.
23:23:16nexcastellanI'm just thinking, you mention that your C-fu is a little weak, and that would just be pure Ruby code.
23:23:43qrushdid a school rails project over the spring and i plowed through the Rails way recently, now working on the Ruby Way.
23:24:06qrushI'm absolutely in love with the language, so much cleaner and concise compared to .net/java
23:24:18bhbqrush, I just started on Friday, I found running specs in spec/ruby/1.8/library/ let me discover some low-hanging fruit
23:24:42bhbI just fixed a single spec in stringio
23:25:03qrushah yes, that's one confusion i had yesterday...why is tags/frozen/1.8 copied to ruby
23:25:34qrushi noticed since the ruby dir isn't versioned, perhaps this part of the build process?
23:25:40zenspiderbhb__: I assigned it to drbrain... he says he wants to review again
23:25:51bhboh, ok cool
23:25:52zenspiderqrush: if you'd rather write specs, pick an area that looks weak and dig in
23:26:05drbrainI'm almost done with my blog post, I'll do that in a couple minutes
23:26:12bhbno worries, just let me know
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23:26:51zenspiderqrush: ruby is copied to frozen... we add to specs/ruby and they're migrated to frozen when stable
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23:32:20brixenqrush: have a read of this: http://rubinius.lighthouseapp.com/projects/5089/howto-develop-with-a-separate-rubyspec-repo
23:32:30brixenqrush: that explains the different spec directories
23:32:46qrushThanks.
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23:33:11brixenqrush: also: http://rubinius.lighthouseapp.com/projects/5089/howto-write-a-ruby-spec
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23:36:42zenspiderbrixen, brixen! Neelance wants to port rubinius to wii!
23:36:46zenspidertoys!
23:38:00drbrainbhb__: you added back trailing whitespace, but I will fixup your patch
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23:38:24bhbwhoops, sorry about that. Thanks for fixing
23:40:00brixenzenspider: heh, I saw!
23:40:47brixenzenspider: I was looking at my zaurus 5500 this weekend, thinking I need to make a robot with it that has a rubinius brain
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23:45:09drbrainbhb__: when evan comes back, go ahead and ask for a commit bit
23:45:17drbrainhttp://git.rubini.us/?p=code;a=commit;h=d20ce46e
23:45:18bhbok, thanks
23:45:39zenspiderthat'd be rad
23:45:48bhb... for the code review and for fixing the patch up
23:46:37drbrainthanks for writing it!
23:48:29rubuildius_ppcEric Hodel: 9bd5c4a31; 2451 files, 8146 examples, 27600 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
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