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| 00:04:20 | zenspider | who is mentalguy? |
| 00:06:24 | brixen | heh, inquiring minds want to know |
| 00:08:03 | zenspider | no really... I need to assign him a bug |
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| 00:11:39 | brixen | zenspider: he doeesn't have a rubinius LH account that I see |
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| 00:14:10 | rubuildius_ppc | Eric Hodel: 706beebd4; 2451 files, 8146 examples, 27600 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 00:15:23 | qrush | is there a go to definition in textmate akin to vs? |
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| 00:17:41 | brixen | qrush: there is cmd-shift-t that will list methods defined in the current file |
| 00:17:45 | brixen | and you can jump to one |
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| 00:18:35 | qrush | thanks |
| 00:18:46 | brixen | n/p |
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| 00:19:12 | Neelance | little question: why is Platform::POSIX using attach_function instead of vm primitives? |
| 00:19:14 | rubuildius_amd64 | Eric Hodel: 706beebd4; 2451 files, 8147 examples, 27580 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 00:19:49 | brixen | Neelance: most of those are libc functions, not vm primitives |
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| 00:20:17 | brixen | Neelance: with a somewhat fuzzy boundary, we try to use primitives for things that are truly in the vm |
| 00:20:41 | Neelance | okay |
| 00:21:15 | Neelance | maybe i have to write primitives for them |
| 00:21:32 | brixen | is libffi not available for the wii? |
| 00:22:09 | Neelance | nope |
| 00:22:19 | brixen | hmm, bummer |
| 00:22:29 | brixen | what is the wii chipset? |
| 00:22:48 | qrush | yay i see a bug. Now to figure out where the hell it starts from. |
| 00:23:01 | tarcieri | chipset? CPU? |
| 00:23:10 | Neelance | http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii_Hardware |
| 00:24:40 | brixen | ah yeah, cpu rather |
| 00:26:04 | Neelance | that's why i try to drop the whole ffi and subtend parts |
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| 00:29:42 | brixen | Neelance: well, you could start by stubbing attach_function and then see which you really need |
| 00:30:31 | brixen | ideally, someone who maintains/uses libffi would port it to that cpu :) |
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| 00:33:34 | Neelance | maybe this is possible, i don't know, but I will not try it |
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| 00:43:28 | qrush | This is odd. |
| 00:43:40 | qrush | So i'm looking in an issue with URI/ftp |
| 00:44:14 | qrush | It's specifically with the path of an ftp URI that's parsed...according to the comments it's following RFC, but it's not matching the spec or MatzRuby irb |
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| 00:45:00 | brixen | qrush: can you pastie the command you're using to run the spec and the output? |
| 00:46:15 | qrush | http://pastie.org/220793 |
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| 00:47:08 | rubuildius_ppc | Eric Hodel: f160b6c25; 2451 files, 8146 examples, 27600 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
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| 00:47:42 | qrush | MatzRuby certainly doesn't follow the RFC noted in the comments |
| 00:48:47 | qrush | so i guess the question is, do we want to follow rfc or matzruby |
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| 00:49:17 | tarcieri | ugh, I had so many problems with URI we just made a core extension to fix URI.parse :/ |
| 00:49:32 | qrush | Speak english to the noob please :) a what? |
| 00:49:46 | tarcieri | our app monkeypatches URI to not suck |
| 00:50:06 | brixen | qrush: well, the spec as written passes on matzruby. but you could write a spec that you believe follows the RFC and if it fails, you could file a bug ticket with matzruby |
| 00:50:07 | qrush | By just making the path just return @path that makes the spec pass |
| 00:50:24 | qrush | I'm more interested in fixing Rubinius. |
| 00:50:26 | brixen | qrush: we need to follow matzruby behavior unless it's a verified bug |
| 00:50:33 | tarcieri | qrush: your best bet right now is to duplicate the MRI behavior :( |
| 00:50:35 | brixen | or we have a really good reason not to follow the behavior |
| 00:51:18 | brixen | qrush: feel free to write a spec for the RFC behavior and post a bug report here: http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/ |
| 00:52:01 | qrush | the spec for the rfc behavior is already in rubinius |
| 00:52:37 | brixen | qrush: http://pastie.org/220796 |
| 00:52:52 | brixen | show me what command to run to show matzruby doesn't follow the RFC |
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| 00:54:25 | qrush | I'm going by this in ftp.rb in rubinius: http://pastie.org/220797 output from MatzRuby here: http://pastie.org/220798 |
| 00:55:10 | rubuildius_amd64 | Eric Hodel: f160b6c25; 2451 files, 8147 examples, 27580 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 00:56:29 | drbrain | it was fixed in 1.8.7 |
| 00:56:41 | drbrain | $ ruby -r uri -v -e 'p URI.parse("ftp://example.com/foo").path' |
| 00:56:50 | drbrain | ruby 1.8.6 (2007-09-24 patchlevel 111) [universal-darwin9.0] |
| 00:56:53 | drbrain | "/foo" |
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| 00:57:04 | drbrain | $ ruby18 -r uri -v -e 'p URI.parse("ftp://example.com/foo").path' |
| 00:57:13 | drbrain | ruby 1.8.7 (2008-06-16 patchlevel 5000) [i686-darwin9.3.0] |
| 00:57:16 | drbrain | "foo" |
| 00:57:24 | brixen | yeah, specs have version 1.8.7 guards on those |
| 00:57:33 | brixen | qrush: what version of MRI are you using? |
| 00:57:47 | qrush | 1.8.6 |
| 00:57:49 | qrush | :| |
| 00:58:05 | qrush | What does the "I" stand for? |
| 00:58:19 | qrush | Both irb in Rubinius and MatzRuby are at 1.8.6 |
| 00:58:43 | drbrain | why does our File::Stat have a #path? |
| 00:59:44 | qrush | So basically this is a non issue. |
| 00:59:58 | drbrain | corundum: MRI? |
| 00:59:58 | corundum | MRI is Matz' Ruby Interpreter, typically the 1.8 branch |
| 01:00:06 | qrush | I'm curious as why the spec is failing on my machine if there's a guard on it. |
| 01:00:56 | qrush | Perhaps it's the ruby_version_is "" ... "1.8.7" do |
| 01:00:57 | fbuilesv | qrush: Late but: Currently NoKarma and fbuilesv (that'd be me) are working on the GSoC writing specs. In that list we mentioned the ones that we plan to cover but the ones on the top are missing and no one's working on them. If you want to work on something it's cool, but let us know so we can take a free day or something :P |
| 01:01:07 | brixen | qrush: bin/mspec -tr spec/ruby/1.8/library/uri/parse_spec.rb |
| 01:01:17 | brixen | qrush: that will run with matzruby, not rubinius |
| 01:02:41 | qrush | I don't see -t or -r explained in the help for mspec |
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| 01:03:42 | qrush | fbuilesv: hah, have fun ;) |
| 01:04:06 | brixen | qrush: bin/mspec -h |
| 01:04:19 | brixen | lists -t, --target |
| 01:04:34 | qrush | That's a different help page than just running bin/mspec -_- |
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| 01:05:41 | qrush | Alright then, thanks for the help. I'll search somewhere else in rake todo for things to do... |
| 01:06:14 | fbuilesv | qrush: are you intersted in a particular area of the specs? |
| 01:06:19 | brixen | qrush: I am curious about the guards, I'm looking into that now |
| 01:06:37 | qrush | I really don't know fbuilesv. I'm just looking to get some experience and contribute. |
| 01:07:16 | fbuilesv | qrush: as someone may have already said you can try to run any gem/piece of software adn see if it runs. Or just bin/mspec some/part/of/ruby and see what's failing :) |
| 01:07:35 | qrush | yeah, there's plenty in rake todo to look at |
| 01:07:47 | qrush | I just seemed to have picked a dumb one first. :| |
| 01:07:57 | fbuilesv | wow I didn't even know that command :P |
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| 01:13:10 | brixen | qrush: that was a fine place to start, it just requires a fair bit of work |
| 01:13:16 | qrush | You'd think that the _tags.txt would have something special in it if the failure was generated by a ruby_bug |
| 01:13:21 | brixen | first of all, those specs ported from MRI are a mess |
| 01:13:49 | qrush | So rifling through rake todo is a bad idea? o_O |
| 01:13:51 | brixen | the _tags.txt files have nothing to do with the ruby_bug guard |
| 01:14:09 | brixen | no, it's a fine idea, you just might end up biting off a big chunk ;) |
| 01:14:19 | qrush | I want a little chunk. |
| 01:14:23 | qrush | Teeny tiny. |
| 01:14:27 | brixen | heh, so keep looking |
| 01:14:45 | zenspider | qrush: the problem with rake todo is that it'll only point you at impl... you mostly expressed interest in writing specs before |
| 01:14:55 | zenspider | which will also help you keep teeny tiny |
| 01:15:15 | qrush | I'll be honest, I have no idea what I'm interested in yet. I just want to get my feet wet. |
| 01:15:29 | qrush | so starting on the gsoc unassigned lib specs is a decent idea then? |
| 01:15:43 | fbuilesv | qrush: yes, that shouldn't even say GSoC :P |
| 01:15:49 | fbuilesv | just pick one of the small ones and have fun! |
| 01:16:09 | zenspider | fbuilesv: that's not a GSoC bug? cool... |
| 01:16:14 | zenspider | can you change the title? |
| 01:16:29 | fbuilesv | zenspider: yes, we already have our GSoC libs assigned anyway |
| 01:16:35 | fbuilesv | let me fix that |
| 01:16:50 | zenspider | rad. thanks |
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| 01:17:42 | fbuilesv | there we go |
| 01:17:53 | Neelance | bye |
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| 01:19:43 | brixen | hmm, so here a newer URI lib was imported git show 6bf5fe75 |
| 01:21:28 | brixen | I believe we're failing the spec because we've got a newer URI lib but our version number is 1.8.6 p111 |
| 01:22:04 | qrush | So what's the theory behind test coverage with specs? you want to cover normal input for each method and make sure it matches expected output? |
| 01:22:16 | brixen | basically, yes |
| 01:22:37 | brixen | ideally, you want to cover the domain of input and ensure that you map to the same co-domain |
| 01:23:41 | brixen | so, since changing behavior is a free-for-all in MRI, we need to be careful when we're importing new stdlib stuff |
| 01:24:00 | brixen | I'm not sure where to broadcast that :-/ |
| 01:24:04 | brixen | README? |
| 01:24:08 | brixen | README-DEVELOPERS? |
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| 01:26:06 | drbrain | the latter sounds better |
| 01:26:24 | brixen | k |
| 01:26:45 | zenspider | t |
| 01:26:51 | brixen | g |
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| 01:29:24 | brixen | qrush: your investigation paid off nicely |
| 01:29:31 | qrush | qrush: o rly? |
| 01:30:07 | brixen | lessons: 1. the uri/parse_spec.rb specs that were ported from MRI tests handily illustrate why I hate bad test/unit tests |
| 01:30:16 | brixen | there are gobs of asserts with no reasonable explanations |
| 01:30:25 | brixen | 2. we have to be careful importing MRI stdlib stuff |
| 01:30:44 | brixen | 3. we will probably just be incompatible with this particular behavior until we are version 1.8.7 compatible |
| 01:30:51 | qrush | I was going to start to look at PP, it seems decently tiny |
| 01:31:02 | brixen | ahh, pp, another library I love to hate |
| 01:31:09 | brixen | have fun :) |
| 01:31:19 | qrush | heh.... |
| 01:31:26 | drbrain | pp is insane inside |
| 01:31:43 | qrush | Alrightly, perhaps time to choose a different one |
| 01:32:53 | drbrain | pp is tractable, but you have to keep your wits about you |
| 01:33:31 | qrush | I really want to find something relatively simple to start with. I've barely written any specs before. Hell, I've barely written any tests in my life. This is the start. |
| 01:34:29 | drbrain | qrush: how about a different approach... what's your favorite ruby program? |
| 01:34:39 | qrush | I've really only used Rails. |
| 01:35:01 | Defiler | pp is brutal, yeah |
| 01:35:31 | qrush | Perhaps I need to bury though the rest of ruby way and return to this later...just seems to complex for someone new to the libs to handle. |
| 01:35:52 | fbuilesv | qrush: there's a small lib called "un", it's pretty small and simple |
| 01:36:16 | fbuilesv | its' basically a copy of some unix utils (cp, ls, touch, etc). |
| 01:36:44 | drbrain | ... more command-line wrapper for FileUtils |
| 01:36:58 | drbrain | it should be very tractable |
| 01:37:01 | fbuilesv | drbrain: I think FileUtils uses it but I'm not sure. |
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| 01:37:26 | drbrain | fbuilesv: other way around |
| 01:37:38 | fbuilesv | there's also mutex_m which is simple enough if you know what a lock is |
| 01:37:41 | drbrain | un.rb is 235 lines, fileutils is 1591 |
| 01:37:42 | fbuilesv | drbrain: oh I see. |
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| 01:37:59 | qrush | fbuilesv: yeah, i've taken classes on threading/concurrency, etc. |
| 01:38:56 | fbuilesv | qrush: any of those two would seem easy enough to start with |
| 01:38:59 | fbuilesv | we'll gladly help you in #rubyspec :) |
| 01:38:59 | brixen | drbrain: should we keep our imported version of uri or revert to a 1.8.6 compat version? |
| 01:39:26 | qrush | In a different world i'm quite the .net/windows guru. osx and ruby/rails is so damn slick though i can't ignore it. :) |
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| 01:39:41 | brixen | qrush: heh, welcome to the dark side |
| 01:39:45 | drbrain | brixen: so long as no new bugs are in 1.8.7, I think it is ok to upgrade |
| 01:39:47 | brixen | oh wait, I've got that backwards |
| 01:39:50 | qrush | The koolaid is delicious. |
| 01:39:56 | drbrain | brixen: we already have no rdoc, rubygems, etc :) |
| 01:40:00 | drbrain | err, new |
| 01:40:19 | brixen | drbrain: yes, but in this case the behavior is incompatible with 1.8.6 |
| 01:40:28 | brixen | drbrain: bin/mspec spec/ruby/1.8/library/uri/parse_spec.rb |
| 01:40:46 | brixen | those 2 failures are because we say we're version 1.8.6 p111 but behave like 1.8.7 |
| 01:40:56 | brixen | unless I'm high |
| 01:41:07 | brixen | and looking at those specs makes one feel dizzy, so... |
| 01:41:09 | drbrain | did I do it wrong? NoMethodError: No method 'pretty_inspect' on an instance of Hash. |
| 01:41:19 | drbrain | I only have the two failures |
| 01:41:51 | drbrain | I think it's ok if we are incompatible by fixing the bug, if it is ftp:///foo vs ftp:////foo |
| 01:41:52 | brixen | hmm, how did you get that error |
| 01:42:04 | drbrain | I should have written ftp://host/foo vs ftp://host//foo |
| 01:42:15 | drbrain | I cut and pasted your bin/mspec line |
| 01:42:28 | drbrain | maybe I'm out of date in spec/ruby |
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| 01:43:07 | drbrain | I ran spec:update and I still get those NoMethodErrors |
| 01:43:35 | brixen | drbrain: http://pastie.org/220819 |
| 01:43:45 | brixen | spec:update shouldn't affect that |
| 01:44:24 | drbrain | since those specs say "1.8 has this bug", I think it is ok to fix them |
| 01:44:30 | drbrain | err, 1.8.6 has this bug |
| 01:44:53 | brixen | yeah, I tend to agree |
| 01:45:12 | brixen | it raises a complex issue though |
| 01:45:22 | brixen | since existing code *could* rely on that behavior |
| 01:45:48 | brixen | the point of saying we "pass the 1.8.6" specs is that your 1.8.6 code should run |
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| 01:48:07 | drbrain | sec, researching |
| 01:49:03 | drbrain | hrm, it looks like there was some intent to add the ftp fix to 1.8.6 branch |
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| 01:49:08 | drbrain | so I say we are ok |
| 01:49:23 | brixen | ah, and in fact it's probably been done in a later patchlevel |
| 01:49:49 | brixen | we'll have to figger out a procedure for matching our RUBY_PATCHLEVEL value |
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| 04:06:07 | headius | howdy |
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| 04:12:41 | headius | wycats: do you know if there are more specs for ffi than what's under spec/ffi? |
| 04:12:51 | headius | just wanna make sure that's what I should be looking at |
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| 04:19:05 | wycats | headius: heh... dunno |
| 04:20:01 | headius | ok, seeya! |
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| 13:36:18 | rubuildius_ppc | Arthur Schreiber: 5f496f02e; 2451 files, 8146 examples, 27600 expectations, 3 failures, 0 errors; http://rafb.net/p/vdXZna88.html |
| 13:39:14 | rubuildius_amd64 | Arthur Schreiber: 5f496f02e; 2451 files, 8147 examples, 27580 expectations, 3 failures, 0 errors; http://rafb.net/p/oXO9Ic51.html |
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| 15:16:30 | NoKarma | Oh, these 3 failures are caused by me |
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| 15:24:59 | NoKarma | Type.coerce_to does not use respond_to, that's what is causing the failures |
| 15:25:09 | NoKarma | nothing to worry about :) |
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| 16:19:11 | Defiler | dbussink: So, I'm going to be in Amsterdam the first week of July. |
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| 16:24:40 | NoKarma | brixen: could you please update the frozen specs and remove all tags related to the stringio library specs? They all pass on Rubinius now :) |
| 16:24:55 | Defiler | rad |
| 16:26:06 | NoKarma | yah, well, got to leave |
| 16:26:07 | NoKarma | bye |
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| 17:11:00 | Defiler | We should have named Rubinius 'The Becoming' |
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| 17:46:00 | mass | waves hello |
| 17:46:10 | mass | Defiler: becoming the what? |
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| 17:47:50 | brixen | well, new socket specs hanging |
| 17:48:07 | brixen | I'll have to update later, gtg to class |
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| 18:32:56 | rue | Hm, Type.coerce_to should not be using #respond_to? I am pretty sure |
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| 18:42:23 | rue | Defiler: I think dbussink is still broken up about the Russia game :) |
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| 19:14:24 | dbussink | rue: it's not that bad ;) |
| 19:14:28 | dbussink | Defiler: ah cool :) |
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| 19:26:58 | NoKarma | brixen: ping |
| 19:27:53 | NoKarma | Am I the only one getting SIGBUS errors on rake spec:ci ? |
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| 19:30:26 | fbuilesv | NoKarma: OS 10.5, works fine here. |
| 19:30:35 | NoKarma | meh :( |
| 19:30:52 | NoKarma | apparently, they're caused by the subtend array specs or so |
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| 19:32:39 | NoKarma | heh, seems to work now |
| 19:32:58 | NoKarma | subtend extensions were compiled for MRI, so that obviously did not work |
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| 19:45:02 | NoKarma | fbuilesv: does rake spec:full complete for you? |
| 19:45:10 | NoKarma | fbuilesv: something seems to be hanging here |
| 19:45:32 | fbuilesv | NoKarma: it always hangs here but if I run the same thing by hand (mspec ci -trubinius...) it works |
| 19:45:42 | NoKarma | fbuilesv: oh, ok |
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| 22:03:58 | dbussink | Defiler: what are you going to do there? |
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| 22:07:02 | neelance | (libbstring just passed all tests on the wii) |
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| 22:20:23 | drbrain | who's Arthur Schreiber again? |
| 22:20:49 | drbrain | I was curious why he added class Data, as it's an implementation detail |
| 22:21:03 | drbrain | in MRI it only provides the hooks for rb_wrap_struct and friends |
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| 22:21:43 | dbussink | drbrain: NoKarma |
| 22:22:22 | drbrain | ok, I'll wait until he returns |
| 22:24:07 | dbussink | drbrain: he's from germany, usually around during cet day time |
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| 22:24:24 | dbussink | doing GSoC on rubyspecs |
| 22:24:59 | drbrain | dbussink: yeah |
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| 22:52:23 | Defiler | dbussink: Just going to hang out, see the city, etc. No serious plans yet |
| 22:53:53 | dbussink | Defiler: ah, just a holiday then? |
| 22:54:03 | dbussink | Defiler: going only to amsterdam or to other places too? |
| 22:54:34 | Defiler | dbussink: This weekend I am going to the Tuska festival in Finland, and then I am going to fly back to Amsterdam and spend a week there before returning to the u.s. |
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| 23:04:34 | dbussink | Defiler: ah, cool |
| 23:04:42 | dbussink | but i need to get some sleep now first |
| 23:04:49 | dbussink | see ya |
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| 23:09:26 | nexcastellan | Does RubyInline work with Rubinius? |
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| 23:10:16 | loop | oh, Tuska is next weekend |
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| 23:10:55 | drbrain | nexcastellan: I think it should |
| 23:11:12 | drbrain | mkmf.rb does, so all the RbConfig entries should be available |
| 23:11:32 | nexcastellan | Someone at work brought it up. Thanks. The changelog at least mentions Rubinius, and I know zenspider is often here. |
| 23:11:55 | zenspider | nexcastellan: what's up? |
| 23:12:07 | nexcastellan | Just wondering if RubyInline works on Rubinius. We'll need it eventually. |
| 23:12:16 | nexcastellan | Plenty else we have to get working first, though. :) |
| 23:12:45 | zenspider | sec |
| 23:13:13 | nexcastellan | TOTALLY off-topic, anyone know which memory allocator OS X uses? tcmalloc, jemalloc, ptmalloc 2.5, etc.? It doesn't seem to work the same as ptmalloc and a google search shows nothing. |
| 23:13:29 | nexcastellan | Actually, it's not _totally_ off-topic as I'm playing around with different memory allocators in MRI. |
| 23:14:06 | zenspider | it is apple/bsd's malloc |
| 23:14:18 | zenspider | man malloc |
| 23:14:32 | zenspider | has lots of nice tools in it |
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| 23:16:21 | zenspider | nexcastellan: Passed: mri_rel_1_8_6, mri_1_8_7, mri_rel_1_8_7, rubinius, mri_trunk, mri_rel_1_9, mri_1_8, mri_1_8_6 |
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| 23:17:17 | nexcastellan | Woo, awesome. Thanks, zenspider. :) Gotta love when things work _before_ I even look at them. :) |
| 23:17:44 | zenspider | nexcastellan: doesn't mean it works... it menas it passes its tests. :P |
| 23:17:55 | neelance | are there any test files for libev? found some for libbstring and libccash (which already work on the wii), but not for libev |
| 23:18:28 | nexcastellan | Hahaha, yes. I've discovered some amusing shortcomings in Ruby Specs so far (obviously because nobody, including me, has written some parts yet). |
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| 23:20:11 | drbrain | neelance: did you try downloading the official libev to see if it has tests? |
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| 23:20:47 | neelance | good idea, i will look |
| 23:23:35 | neelance | nothing more there |
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| 23:25:04 | djwhitt | neelance: might ask tarcieri about it. he's done a lot with libev |
| 23:26:09 | neelance | hm, maybe i just found something... |
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| 23:35:16 | drbrain | neelance: did you try downloading the official libev to see if it has tests? |
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| 23:37:45 | neelance | there is some packaged version which has tests included (they seem to be from libevent) |
| 23:37:50 | drbrain | wow, stupid up-arrow |
| 23:37:51 | neelance | i try to use them |
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| 23:55:25 | evan | rawr. |
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