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| 00:00:17 | drbrain | I think it should be pattern = String pattern |
| 00:00:48 | drbrain | err, StringValue |
| 00:00:48 | rue | String(pattern) |
| 00:01:03 | rue | Otherwise this looks like Haskell or something :P |
| 00:01:30 | jbarnette | ah, I didn't realize we had analogs for those macros |
| 00:01:41 | rue | Sadly |
| 00:01:51 | ryanlowe | now that's strange ... it appears I can't see messages |
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| 00:02:34 | rue | ryanlowe: How can you tell? :) |
| 00:02:40 | ryanlowe | LOL |
| 00:02:59 | ryanlowe | Colloquy had the number next to the channel like there were new messages |
| 00:03:12 | ryanlowe | but I couldn't see anything ... weird |
| 00:03:16 | ryanlowe | rejoined and works now |
| 00:04:01 | jbarnette | ryanlowe: colloquy freaks out like that pretty frequently |
| 00:04:12 | ryanlowe | lovely ... I just started using it |
| 00:04:22 | ryanlowe | is there a better Mac IRC client? |
| 00:04:27 | jbarnette | ryanlowe: "Clear Display" or "/reset style" are occasionally helpful |
| 00:04:36 | ryanlowe | thx :) |
| 00:05:19 | ryanlowe | so I had a masochistic idea I wanted to run by you guys... |
| 00:06:04 | ryanlowe | I'm interested in Rubinius' progress with Rails support .... so I make a new project to run Rails 2.1.0 on Rubinius |
| 00:06:04 | drbrain | ryanlowe: I like LimeChat |
| 00:06:13 | ryanlowe | I made* |
| 00:06:52 | ryanlowe | the next step would be putting it live in production so people can beat on it if they like .... I was thinking I could run it on MRI and Rubinius at the same time, connected to the same database |
| 00:06:58 | ryanlowe | with different mongrels for each |
| 00:07:37 | ryanlowe | and people could access the site with either http://mri.unfoo.com or http://rbx.unfoo.com ... presumably the MRI one would always work and could be a fallback |
| 00:08:30 | ryanlowe | totally bizarre? |
| 00:08:32 | drbrain | I don't see what's unpossible about such a setup |
| 00:08:43 | drbrain | seems reasonable |
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| 00:12:39 | jbarnette | drbrain: updated to use StringValue |
| 00:14:48 | ryanlowe | drbrain: cool, I will set up a slice soon |
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| 00:17:02 | boyscout | 1 commit by John Barnette |
| 00:17:03 | boyscout | * Make sure Dir.glob converts non-String patterns.; af354cb |
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| 00:18:20 | jbarnette | drbrain: woot, with that patch another one of my gems is all Rubiniawesomed. |
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| 00:23:19 | gramos | Hi guys, I'm seeing the librake/release.rake file |
| 00:23:39 | gramos | and can read this TODO: THANKS/AUTHORS file could be autogenerated from git - but, |
| 00:23:39 | gramos | # how? lots of custom text in both. |
| 00:24:04 | drbrain | yes |
| 00:24:07 | gramos | I wrote a task that generates the commiters list |
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| 00:24:57 | gramos | the taks generates the list and prin on std output |
| 00:26:00 | drbrain | gramos: can you make a patch or commit it? |
| 00:26:19 | gramos | yes I will make a path |
| 00:26:22 | gramos | patch, sorry |
| 00:27:00 | rubuildius_amd64 | John Barnette: af354cb4f; 2534 files, 8411 examples, 28020 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 00:27:01 | gramos | Should this task be hook'ed on the git server, |
| 00:27:13 | gramos | in order to generate these files on-demand? |
| 00:27:30 | rubuildius_ey64 | John Barnette: af354cb4f; 2534 files, 8411 examples, 28018 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 00:27:41 | drbrain | I think it should make them on-demand during the release process |
| 00:28:11 | gramos | only puts the author on std out ? |
| 00:28:21 | gramos | or on a some file? |
| 00:28:35 | drbrain | into a AUTHORS file, I guess |
| 00:28:38 | gramos | like CONTRIBUTORS? |
| 00:29:02 | gramos | the actual AUTHORS file contains some extra information |
| 00:29:18 | drbrain | sure, CONTRIBUTORS is fine |
| 00:29:18 | rue | YAML dump it |
| 00:29:25 | drbrain | we can always change it later |
| 00:29:32 | drbrain | rue: why? |
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| 00:29:37 | rue | That way we can have additional data fields |
| 00:29:48 | rue | It is not much less readable |
| 00:30:07 | drbrain | but, it only gets used in the release notes |
| 00:30:15 | drbrain | we can make a yaml file when we need it |
| 00:30:37 | rue | I dunno if it ever really gets used as such |
| 00:31:07 | drbrain | we don't have one yet :) |
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| 00:32:52 | rue | But it is (nearly) the same trouble to use an Array/Hash merged with existing details |
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| 00:33:11 | gramos | drbrain: I change the output to CONTRIBUTORS file and I will send the patch to the mailing list. ok? |
| 00:33:28 | drbrain | gramos: or, add a ticket on lighthouse |
| 00:33:36 | drbrain | and I will review and commit it :) |
| 00:33:41 | rue | Lighthouse if possible, or crosspost to ML |
| 00:34:05 | gramos | ok |
| 00:39:59 | rue | "All parameters passed by reference must be const" is quite a questionable rule |
| 00:40:38 | rue | Brb |
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| 00:51:05 | gramos | drbrain: http://rubinius.lighthouseapp.com/projects/5089-rubinius/tickets/621-patch-for-contributors-file-g eneration |
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| 00:53:24 | drbrain | it should probably also auto-commit that, but I will check it in |
| 00:55:50 | boyscout | 1 commit by Eric Hodel |
| 00:55:51 | boyscout | * Add TODO about auto-commit for CONTRIBUTORS; e400f6c |
| 00:56:22 | drbrain | boyscout: where's Gaston's commit? |
| 00:56:37 | drbrain | well, it's in trunk |
| 00:56:44 | drbrain | on master, whatever it's called |
| 01:00:15 | headius | hmmm |
| 01:00:43 | headius | running rbx zlib.rb with jruby-ffi: 77 files, 26 examples, 37 expectations, 4 failures, 16 errors |
| 01:01:25 | headius | most of those seem to be because zlib.rb uses Type, which is rubinius-only |
| 01:01:58 | drbrain | our version of rb_convert_type() |
| 01:03:32 | headius | ah |
| 01:04:40 | drbrain | what does your API look like? |
| 01:05:00 | headius | we have such conversion methods, but they're not exposed to Ruby |
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| 01:06:51 | headius | hmmm |
| 01:06:59 | headius | syslog fails all specs because of private methods |
| 01:07:30 | drbrain | syslog also currently depends on runtime/platform.conf |
| 01:07:41 | rubuildius_ey64 | Eric Hodel: e400f6c98; 2534 files, 8411 examples, 28018 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 01:07:54 | drbrain | I haven't fixed up the const generator to skip outputting ruby |
| 01:08:01 | drbrain | when the C value is missing |
| 01:09:45 | headius | is it generating those from header files then? |
| 01:10:35 | drbrain | I made some changes to zlib since you grabbed ours to help improve FFI |
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| 01:10:52 | drbrain | I added a lib/ffi/{struct,const}_generator.rb |
| 01:11:20 | drbrain | so now you can define structs and constants in the @@@ section with some generation-time compilation |
| 01:11:47 | drbrain | I'm trying to move all our ruby-stdlib stuff to using the @@@ sections and not runtime/platform.conf |
| 01:12:18 | drbrain | and a lib/generator_task.rb to hook them all up to rake |
| 01:12:27 | headius | I'll have a look at that then |
| 01:12:52 | headius | sucks that these libraries have platform-specific constants in the first place that aren't runtime-reflectable |
| 01:13:13 | rubuildius_amd64 | Eric Hodel: e400f6c98; 2534 files, 8411 examples, 28020 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 01:13:19 | drbrain | unfortunately, that's not as issue for C :( |
| 01:14:42 | drbrain | I'm not sure how you would do the equivalent of our generators |
| 01:14:49 | drbrain | but the API in the @@@ section should be sane enough |
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| 01:14:58 | headius | yeah, we don't have a build time per platform |
| 01:15:13 | headius | only per release version, since it's the same exact binaries shipped everywhere |
| 01:15:24 | drbrain | yeah |
| 01:15:39 | headius | we'd have to have some kind of install |
| 01:15:48 | headius | if these were ffi-related gems, it could be hooked into post install |
| 01:16:16 | headius | or generated the first time into a dotfile or something |
| 01:16:30 | headius | seems like that would be unsecure though |
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| 01:19:41 | drbrain | you could do something entirely different with the @@@ sections, I think |
| 01:20:17 | drbrain | we do compilation at "install" time, you could do something or other at load time instead |
| 01:20:38 | gramos | drbrain: I added the commiters count at the top of the CONTRIBUTORS file, Shoul I generate another patch for this? |
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| 01:21:07 | headius | we could, but that would involve going out and digging around headers on every startup |
| 01:21:29 | drbrain | gramos: you could wait for evan to show up so you can get your commit bit |
| 01:21:37 | drbrain | but, he probably won't show up until tomorrow |
| 01:22:12 | gramos | ok, I'm waiting for my commit bit :) |
| 01:22:16 | headius | I don't see @@@ sections in zlib yet |
| 01:22:37 | headius | still in progress? |
| 01:23:58 | drbrain | zlib.rb.ffi ? |
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| 01:24:26 | drbrain | zlib.rb is generated with rake build |
| 01:28:57 | headius | oh .ffi |
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| 12:59:47 | rue | dbussink: I bleeped out the scary part |
| 13:00:09 | dbussink | rue: you did, thank god, otherwise i've would have run out of the building here |
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| 13:03:43 | rubuildius_ppc | Eric Hodel: e400f6c98; 2534 files, 8410 examples, 28040 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
| 13:04:41 | NoKarma | zenspider: ping |
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| 13:18:41 | rue | NoKarma: 5am PST |
| 13:19:34 | NoKarma | yeah, he was still around at 4:33 := |
| 13:19:36 | NoKarma | *:) |
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| 16:55:25 | dbussink | auch, not so pretty memory usage numbers on the mailing list |
| 16:55:58 | cremes | those numbers suck! |
| 16:56:14 | cremes | dbussink: heard anything new on the c++ vm rewrite? |
| 16:56:59 | dbussink | cremes: evan is still playing with llvm, he did have something to show he claimed :) |
| 16:57:33 | cremes | hmmm... i wonder if this will "fix" all of the current vm's ills or not |
| 17:00:38 | nexcastellan | The numbers do suck. I was actually surprised that one of the times showed us within 25% of MRI, though in one case we were almost two orders of magnitude slower. |
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| 17:09:11 | dbussink | well, low level performance is pretty good, we are only slower because we have more stuff in ruby |
| 17:09:21 | dbussink | but the memory usage is not very good though |
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| 17:15:45 | rue | dbussink: Yeah, I think we should look at that once v2 is in |
| 17:16:38 | dbussink | rue: yups, should really try to hurry up v2 |
| 17:22:08 | rue | I think I will try to refocus on that, it is kind of been a roadblock too |
| 17:22:27 | rue | But then only one person has really been working on it, so |
| 17:23:30 | dbussink | yeah, well, i tried to work out a bunch of the dump work |
| 17:23:35 | dbussink | dumb work |
| 17:24:04 | dbussink | but more primitive stuff is missing still too |
| 17:24:14 | dbussink | isn't really hard, but it really needs to be done |
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| 17:30:11 | rue | Yeps |
| 17:30:33 | dbussink | did make tests for all stuff i added though :) |
| 17:30:40 | dbussink | that's really a good thing about the new vm |
| 17:30:47 | rue | Yeah, it helps |
| 17:30:49 | dbussink | we can catch a lot of stuff there already |
| 17:31:23 | nexcastellan | How do I implement VALUE rb_call_super(int nargs, VALUE *args)? My concern is that neither of the arguments passes in the current object, so I can't just do a funcall. How can I discover the parent object at this point? |
| 17:31:55 | rue | So I will see about jumping in on there |
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| 17:32:51 | rue | nexcastellan: That seems odd unless the global state keeps the current object somehow |
| 17:33:09 | rue | In MRI |
| 17:33:31 | dbussink | subtend also needs a bunch of work i guess in the new vm |
| 17:33:37 | dbussink | as does ffi |
| 17:33:42 | nexcastellan | Yeah, in MRI it seems to be doing that. |
| 17:34:30 | nexcastellan | Do we keep the current object? And how do I go about extracting the parent object? |
| 17:35:41 | nexcastellan | As an aside, the problems I seem to be hitting in Rubinius now are related to my lack of understanding of the VM. Would the recommended book be useful in getting me up to speed there? Will this all become useless once the new VM is finished? |
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| 17:36:09 | dbussink | nexcastellan: definitely not useless, although it will need rework |
| 17:36:12 | rue | nexcastellan: It should be available in the frame but the function seems a bit iffy |
| 17:36:49 | nexcastellan | What, rb_call_super? I must admit, I don't see why it doesn't have at least VALUE self passed in. Could be I'm misunderstanding but I don't think so. |
| 17:38:37 | rue | nexcastellan: Ah, I suppose it makes some kind of sense since rb_call_super can only be called from _within_ a method |
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| 17:39:43 | nexcastellan | Bah, I still think they should pass in self at least. And RMagick is calling rb_call_super, which is why I'm trying to get it to work. |
| 17:42:34 | rue | nexcastellan: It would be cleaner, sure. You can just retrieve the current native context from global_context, it gives you the fastcontext and nmc |
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| 17:47:10 | nexcastellan | Thanks, rue, I'll look into that. |
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| 18:08:21 | rue | nexcastellan: Let me know if you need any info/help, I went through that code in some detail |
| 18:08:49 | nexcastellan | I think I got it, I'm just testing now. That said, I'm still cheating and just doing a funcall. Well, an rb_funcall2. :) |
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| 18:12:57 | rue | nexcastellan: That works too |
| 18:13:14 | nexcastellan | Sure makes it easier to get things up and running. |
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| 18:34:05 | drbrain | nexcastellan: can you read japanese? |
| 18:34:29 | nexcastellan | Nope, not at all. My gf spent a few months in Japan but has lost most of her Japanese. :) |
| 18:34:31 | boyscout | 1 commit by Federico Builes |
| 18:34:32 | boyscout | * Adding libssl-dev dependency for Ubuntu to the INSTALL file.; 5dd1fd6 |
| 18:34:34 | drbrain | the ruby hacking guide is the book you want, but it's only partially translated to english |
| 18:35:11 | nexcastellan | Yeah, I keep on forgetting to bookmark the damn thing or indeed to refer to it when I have questions like this. Though in all fairness, my question today was specifically about how to access "self" in Rubinius, which rue pointed me to. |
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| 18:39:41 | rubuildius_ppc | Federico Builes: 5dd1fd63b; 2534 files, 8410 examples, 28040 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors |
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| 19:21:22 | nexcastellan | Is line 387 of cpu.c correct? Basically comparing cpu->home_context->method to Qnil? I have a case where it is NULL rather than Qnil. |
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| 19:26:50 | drbrain | I have no idea |
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| 19:33:28 | rue | nexcastellan: Where? |
| 19:33:55 | nexcastellan | Where am I getting a case where it is NULL? |
| 19:33:59 | rue | Yes |
| 19:34:34 | nexcastellan | In some specs I'm trying to write to test a subtend method. But it's entirely possible this should never actually happen. |
| 19:35:37 | rue | Technically OBJECT is a pointer |
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| 19:36:11 | nexcastellan | Yeah, stored as an int, right? But then, shouldn't the test be against 0 (or NULL) instead of Qnil? |
| 19:37:05 | rue | It depends on whether the field is initialized to Qnil or left uninitialized to NULL |
| 19:37:50 | rue | So in this case the place to look would be where the cmethod is created/initialized and see how the fields are set up |
| 19:38:08 | nexcastellan | Okay, thanks, I'll trace through and try to do the right thing. |
| 19:38:22 | rue | It would probably be best to ensure that it does always get initialised to Qnil then |
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| 22:00:54 | Rich_Morin | I have a list of lists, containing numbers, strings, and symbols as leaf nodes. I also have a BNF description of the terms (etc). What tool seems appropriate for walking through the tree and converting the symbols into objects with types, etc? |
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| 22:01:53 | drbrain | sounds like parser/lexer type work |
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| 22:03:11 | Rich_Morin | Well, I used Treetop to do the initial lexing, so that's out of the way. I've thought about hacking amulti to walk the array, but didn't want to overlook something more appropriate... |
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| 22:21:00 | rue | Rich_Morin: Dunno if there really is a tool for that part, it is strongly application-dependent. You could probably tie parser actions to generate those for you |
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| 22:23:04 | rue | Rich_Morin: But if you look at our setup, it first generates the AST objects and then uses the Visitor pattern for bytecode generation. It is a reasonable approach |
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| 22:31:34 | Rich_Morin | Can you point me to a relevant starting point in the code? |
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| 22:33:02 | nexcastellan | rue, what's your email? I'd like to fire off a question that requires a bit of copy-and-paste so it's a bit unsuitable for irc. Please. |
| 22:33:36 | Rich_Morin | pastie.org |
| 22:33:57 | nexcastellan | pastie.org is fine but I'd like to sprinkle in some commentary as well. :) |
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| 22:35:07 | brixen | nexcastellan: use ## in pastie |
| 22:35:25 | nexcastellan | Fair enough. Thanks. |
| 22:35:28 | brixen | nexcastellan: it will give you nice divisions |
| 22:38:18 | brixen | Rich_Morin: http://rubini.us/doc/introduction-to-the-compiler/ |
| 22:38:44 | Rich_Morin | brixen: tnx |
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| 22:44:11 | neelance | hi there - only some update on my project: i just successfully removed libev from my rubinius, although it might work on the wii, i decided to leave it out at first because it seemed too much like a potential error source |
| 22:44:53 | neelance | i will remove libffi and libltdl now, all other libraries already work flawless |
| 22:45:17 | brixen | sweet |
| 22:48:16 | nexcastellan | For rue or anyone with a bit of knowledge of vm internals in Rubinius: http://pastie.org/225087 |
| 22:49:33 | brixen | nexcastellan: what if you wrote the equivalent ruby and looked at the bytecode output? |
| 22:49:47 | brixen | you could see how the vm actually goes about doing the work |
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| 22:50:33 | nexcastellan | I don't know enough about the vm for that to help me, unfortunately. I'm getting decent at the rest, and have a spec to test this with (works with MRI, fails in Rubinius), but the vm is clearly a gaping hole in my knowledge right now. |
| 22:51:19 | brixen | do you have some plain ruby that is semantically equivalent to what you're doing in the ext? |
| 22:51:47 | nexcastellan | Oh, yeah: super() |
| 22:51:56 | nexcastellan | Well, super(some args maybe) |
| 22:52:28 | brixen | super() or super(a, b), but not plain super, right? |
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| 22:53:26 | nexcastellan | Wouldn't super() be the same as super? But definitely should work for super() and for super(a, b) |
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| 22:53:43 | brixen | nexcastellan: it's actually different |
| 22:53:51 | nexcastellan | Ah, yes. |
| 22:54:02 | nexcastellan | No, not super, only super() and super(a,b,c) |
| 22:54:21 | brixen | make sense, since rb_call_super takes the args explicity |
| 22:54:29 | brixen | s/make/makes/ |
| 22:54:45 | gramos | Hi |
| 22:54:52 | nexcastellan | Hello, gramos. |
| 22:54:52 | brixen | hi gramos |
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| 22:56:54 | gramos | Yesterday I was send a patch (http://rubinius.lighthouseapp.com/projects/5089/tickets/621-patch-for-contributors-file-generation) and now I'm waiting for my commit bit. I will send another improvement for this task. |
| 22:57:24 | nexcastellan | gramos, you need to find evan. But he's away at the moment, I think, doing conferences. |
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| 22:58:00 | gramos | nexcastellan: thanks, may be tomorrow. |
| 22:58:29 | brixen | nexcastellan: http://pastie.org/225093 |
| 22:58:30 | nexcastellan | He is almost always active here all the time, often even at conferences. But he's been quiet or away most of today. |
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| 23:01:38 | brixen | nexcastellan: http://rubini.us/static/vmdoc/op_codes/send_super_stack_with_block.html |
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| 23:01:52 | brixen | nexcastellan: I'm not sure this will help you, just suggesting a way to investigate :) |
| 23:02:10 | nexcastellan | Thanks, brixen. I'm trying a variant with arguments, looks to be much the same. |
| 23:02:48 | nexcastellan | Not quite sure what to do with the results but at least it gives me another place to look unless rue has something to say. He can probably solve it in his head in a single line of code. :) |
| 23:02:56 | brixen | heh |
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| 23:03:11 | nexcastellan | rue: ping |
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