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00:33:50boyscout2 commits by Ryan Davis
00:33:51boyscout * Removed false require on mspec in client; fd7f4ac
00:33:52boyscout * Updated doco; 741024f
00:37:15rubuildius_ppcRyan Davis: fd7f4ac2e; 2534 files, 8410 examples, 28041 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
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00:43:32headiussomeone should make an ffi version of pty
00:45:28zenspiderwe gladly accept patches. :)
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00:45:44headiusso do we, oddly enough
00:46:15headiusbut an ffi pty would be to our mutual benefit since we have jruby-ffi now
00:46:23headiusand someone might include me too :)
00:49:12evanyeah
00:49:16evanwe should work on that
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00:50:54headiusit only exposes five methods
00:51:11headiusdoesn't seem to hit all that many C functions either
00:51:13headiusbut I know nothing about pty
00:51:22headiusjust had someone report it didn't work :)
00:52:39evanhehe
00:52:44evanyeah, it's a pretty slim extension
00:54:59boyscout1 commit by Ryan Davis
00:55:00boyscout * More doco scrutiny; 0ddc441
00:59:12rubuildius_ppcRyan Davis: 0ddc44170; 2534 files, 8410 examples, 28041 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
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01:04:05brixeney64 bot complains of this: http://pastie.org/227528
01:04:11brixenoddly
01:05:52shoebrixen: [OT] evidentally, you've used both lighthouse and redmine. Have any comments by way of compare/contrast/recommend?
01:06:58shoe(I saw rubyspec on the "Who's using" page of redmine.)
01:06:58brixenshoe: well, pretty much used redmine because I had planned to hook in some other info (like automated spec run output)
01:07:48brixenshoe: I've used collaboa, retrospectiva, trac, dev'il (my own attempt), LH, redmine (others I'm forgetting), and redmine is pretty nice all things considered
01:08:06brixenLH might be prettier, but I generally find a high level of frustration with it
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01:09:04brixenshoe: the holy grail for me is a single site that collects all information including tickets, wiki, docs, forum
01:09:24brixenbut since people stubbornly refuse to give up that horrid horrid thing called a ML, the holy grail eludes me :)
01:10:06brixenbrb..
01:10:11shoedoes redmine do ticket-updates via email?
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01:17:23brixenshoe: you mean, email and it updates a ticket? or file a ticket and it emails?
01:17:32brixenfor former I don't know, the latter, yes
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01:18:25shoethe former, I'm kind of enamored with this feature.
01:19:26shoebrixen: from your POV, wouldn't that feature kind of replace the ML>
01:19:27shoe?
01:19:54brixenwhich?
01:20:07shoeeach thread becomes a ticket.
01:20:16brixenyeah, could
01:20:34brixenin dev'il I planned to attach a forum thread to each ticket, for discussions
01:20:34shoepeople still get to use email, but everything's collected onto one site.
01:20:44brixensomeday, atom will rule the world and email will disappear
01:21:31brixenshoe: cool thing about redmine, it's under active dev and probably wouldn't be hard to add that feature
01:21:39shoe"someday"? I just barely got to "today". :)
01:21:43brixenheh
01:22:35shoebrixen: alright, thanks for the tips.
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01:22:57brixensure thing
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01:26:47brixenrake distclean executing configure on all these external libs seems just a tad broken, no?
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01:39:18evanthats the stupid 'make clean' doing that
01:39:25evanin each external_lib
01:39:37evanthats the awesomeness that is automake/autoconf
01:39:41brixenahh ok
01:39:54brixensilly indeed
01:44:43evanforms of polymorphism: virtual dispatch table and message lookup
01:44:46evanany others?
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01:57:00evanlisp's defgeneric
01:57:02evanis another.
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02:55:09rubuildius_amd64Ryan Davis: 0ddc44170; 2534 files, 8411 examples, 28021 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
02:55:10rubuildius_amd64Ryan Davis: fd7f4ac2e; 2534 files, 8411 examples, 28021 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
02:55:11rubuildius_amd64Ryan Davis: 52ccd0680; 2534 files, 8411 examples, 28021 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
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03:27:10headiuszenspider: you win the prize for most creative way to blow up JRuby compiler
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04:03:26seydarhowdy, y'all
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04:09:13seydarydwoh, y'all. and have a good night, too.
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06:17:24rubuildius_ey64Ryan Davis: 0ddc44170; 2534 files, 8411 examples, 28019 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
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07:23:31dbussinkmorning
07:24:38brixenmorning
07:24:55brixenwishes it were morning
07:26:04dbussinkhehe, getting late again?
07:26:28brixenyeah
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07:37:16dbussinkwell, get some sleep then ;)
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07:42:04Arjendbussink, got to play with the new vm yet?
07:43:01dbussinkArjen_: yeah, i've been working on it during railsconf
07:44:14Arjendbussink, hasn't changed muched in the cpp branch recently, so evan didn't push his stuff?
07:45:34dbussinkwell, he's been mainly working on integrating llvm
07:45:44dbussinkdunno if anything else has changed besides that
07:46:27ArjenCool.
07:46:28dbussinki've been doing a lot of dumb work on implementing primitives, most of the fixnum / bignum / float stuff is ready
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07:48:32dbussinkArjen_: but you can checkout the branch and compile / run it
07:48:39dbussinkit has tests even :)
07:48:50ArjenMaybe later this weekend.
07:49:14dbussinkhaven't had a lot of time myself lately, busy at work
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07:49:25ArjenWhat are you up to?
07:51:33dbussinkhttp://nedap-pep.nl/
07:51:39dbussinkthat's basically what i'm working on
07:53:58brixenheh, that dude on the front page immediately reminds me of the enzyte commercial guy
07:54:05brixenhere's an enzyte commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS9xwV2qaBg
07:54:18drbrainpep + pink makes me think Pepto Bismol
07:54:31drbrainhttp://www.pepto-bismol.com/
07:54:34brixenheh, that too
07:54:56ArjenCool, i'll check it out. Gotta get to work. Later...
07:54:56drbrainhttp://www.pepto-bismol.com/pepto_dance.shtml
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08:04:19dbussinkthe pink is just cool :P
08:04:33dbussinksome branding guys made and i kinda like it :)
08:05:41drbrainit is pretty cool
08:08:53dbussinkwe have some archaic software that does it now, but i'm rewriting this from scratch
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08:08:57dbussinkusing merb / datamapper
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09:07:37rueMorning or so
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09:18:36chadhi lchin_
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09:32:24lchingday
09:32:32lchini'll reply to your mail shortly :)
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09:33:25chad:)
09:33:27chadno pressure
09:33:29chadit's no hurry
09:33:32chadi was just saying hi
09:33:45lchini know, just thought i'd mention it :)
09:33:47chadstill awake from jet lag
09:33:55chadi woke up 21 hours ago
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10:52:46radarekhello
10:52:52NoKarmahi
10:52:57radarekanyone familiar with TRAP_BEG/TRAP_END macro from MRI source?
10:53:21radarekI know that it is something related to signals
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10:56:30NoKarmaI've no idea what it does :)
10:59:49ruePresumably it enables signal trapping
10:59:59rueFor EINTR maybe?
11:00:34radareko found something here: http://markmail.org/message/wmtsw6ouyycduoel
11:01:09ruehttp://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/7917
11:01:15rueUse case might clear it ^^
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20:53:43rueWell, there is clearly absolutely nothing going on today :P
20:55:32dbussinkrue: americans are to blame!
20:57:10ArjenSlackers!
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21:05:12qrushjust curious, what editors do you osx people prefer for ruby hacking? textmate?
21:06:00dbussinktextmate most of the time here, vim sometimes too
21:06:28qrushTrying to decide if i should buy it
21:06:52qrushthats true, i could just use vim for now.
21:07:15rueMacVim is OK
21:07:16dbussinkwell, it already has been worth the few dollars for me
21:07:23jackdempseytextmate's awful nice
21:07:27fbuilesvqrush: emacs :)
21:07:32jackdempseyother times emacs
21:07:33jackdempseyhehe
21:07:42rueDoes TextMate have modal input already?
21:08:05qrushBah, emacs.
21:09:10fbuilesvrue: modal input = vi mode?
21:09:26rueModal input == not taking fingers off the home row ;)
21:09:51rueBut yes, Vim has three main modes: Normal, Input and Visual
21:09:56scoopresc isn't in the home row?
21:10:02fbuilesvok, it's 2008
21:10:06fbuilesvno need for input anymore
21:10:07fbuilesvty.
21:10:17fbuilesvrebind your CTRL to caps lock and use emacs :P
21:10:57qrushheh, that's one that makes me sick using vs2005
21:11:19qrushso much mouse use. i printed out tons of keyboard shortcuts and put them on my cube
21:11:29rueStatistically it is likelier to enter more than one meta-sequence (or Normal mode) at a time
21:11:37ruescoopr: ;; is close enough :)
21:11:42rueTea time, be back
21:12:00fbuilesvtea and vi? What happened to good old ed and coffee :P
21:13:26scoopr;;? I don't get it.. 'em I missing something that makes vi superawesome on us keylayout?
21:14:39ruescoopr: Z in SWE/FI
21:14:40fbuilesvscoopr: no, don't listen to them, having to press "i" to start typing and esc-x to remove a char is...
21:14:51rueWell, ;;
21:14:53rue== ;;
21:14:56rueErm, zz
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21:16:27scooprhmm
21:17:18scooprfbuilesv, well, I happen to use vim currentlt as my editor :)
21:17:31fbuilesvscoopr: I'm sorry for you :(
21:17:40scooprthough not really by choice, more like lack of it :/
21:18:07scoopron mac I do textmate, but right bow I'm on linux.. haven't found anything comparable
21:18:55scoopr(and typos are due to me typing with single hand.. and eating an apple we the other)
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21:20:05fbuilesvscoopr: sorry to be such a fanboy, but have anything against emacs?
21:20:13fbuilesvactually forget about that line, have you tried netbeans maybe?
21:20:21fbuilesvI think VVSiz uses that :P
21:20:24scooprwell, I'm not gonna rebind capslock >:)
21:20:47scooprhm, I did try netbeans in windows few years ago.. might try it
21:21:23fbuilesvnever used it but people seems to like it
21:22:17scooprI almost like the emacs way of stuff, but I keep getting even more lost with it than with vim
21:23:13tarcieriwhen I tried to learn Emacs it was always just spending forever looking up some absurdly long assine command
21:24:21fbuilesvit is probably hard when you're midway through (you can save and open but you don't write your own lisp yet), but afater a while you get pretty comfortable using it
21:25:06scoopractually, (gem i) diakonos has so far had the most sane defaults for keyboard shortcuts and all.. I'd just prefer a gui and all.
21:26:09VVSizNetBeans (recent versions) is pretty nice for Ruby development
21:26:23fbuilesvmost of teh default shortcuts for OS X seem painful to me, Cmd is in a retarded position if you're supposed to be using it all day long
21:26:30VVSizscoopr: http://blogs.sun.com/tor/entry/ruby_screenshot_of_the_week27
21:26:57scooprfbuilesv, hu? left thumb rests almost over it anyway? :P
21:27:27fbuilesvscoopr: I'm on a macbook, have to "curve" the finger each time I want to use it
21:27:33fbuilesvmaybe the retarded ones are my hands?
21:28:01fbuilesvI'd rather have it on my home row
21:28:14scooprI guess you could rebind it >:)
21:28:41fbuilesvscoopr: tried to in DefaultKeyBindings.something, didn't work
21:28:52fbuilesvthat's what made me go back to Emacs after trying TM, I was able to rebind Ctrl :)
21:29:02scooprah k =)
21:29:30scooprargh, netbeans seems to be fixated with the "project" metaphor :/ .. I had that gripe with eclipse as well
21:30:32scooprjust about #1 feature I like in textmate is able to do "mate ." in a dir and get the folder in a sidepane without any fiddly "new project wizard"
21:31:00scooprwhy don't other editors have that :/
21:31:42scoopr#2 feature is cmd-t, quick-open from that filelist
21:31:54fbuilesvother editors do have that :)
21:32:06fbuilesvnot sure if other IDEs have it though
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21:32:44scooprhaven't seen a single editor behave (at least by default or obvious configuration) to do that
21:32:54scooproh my sentences are all crooked too
21:33:03scooprI should probably head to bed now..
21:33:04fbuilesvscoopr: emacs can if you're running gnuserv and do an emacsclient
21:33:07ruefbuilesv: You can rebind modifier keys somewhat
21:33:37fbuilesvrue: tried in that file after reading TM's wiki, couldn't get to make caps lock and additional Cmd
21:33:41rueI have CapsLock bound to Ctrl, so I can one-hand C-S-Tab
21:33:55fbuilesvrue: yes, I have that too
21:34:07fbuilesvcouldn't get it to work with cmd though
21:34:18rueIn System Prefs?
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21:35:12fbuilesvrue: no, in DefaultKeyBindings.plist I think it was the name, didn't see that in Prefs -> Keyboard
21:35:35rueShould be right there under the key repeat rate etc.
21:36:29fbuilesvwow I feel stupid now, I had never seen that button down there :S
21:36:56rueHehe
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21:37:27rueIt took a while but the lappy has the appropriately named F'n key where I would prefer to have Ctrl
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21:37:39rueSo this works out OK
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21:41:49qrushso is there a way to run .rb files through rbx with textmate?
21:41:55qrushbecause i'd buy it now for that.
21:42:16NoKarmaqrush: sure. Add your own Shortcuts
21:42:32NoKarmaqrush: or edit the default Ruby ones
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22:46:54grumpfHi
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22:53:39nexcastellanHey, grumpf. I think everyone's away for American 4th of July today. :)
22:54:22grumpfUpps, thanks for the info.... :-)
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