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00:44:01drbrainI found a bug in Zlib!
00:44:05drbrain... in MRI
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00:48:36rueEr.. yay? :)
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00:55:38drbrainhttp://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/show/239
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00:56:13drbrainI wonder if jruby has this bug
00:58:14squeegydrbrain: no errors or warnings on latest jruby
00:58:33drbrainsqueegy: running that attached script? good
00:58:53squeegyyea, just gives deflated: "" and inflated: ""
00:59:03drbrainsqueegy: that's broken
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00:59:44squeegyah
00:59:51drbraindeflated: "x\001\000\n\000\365\377abcdefghij\002,;'7/\277\240\260\250\270\244\264\254\274\242\262\n\000\2 20\206\v "
00:59:59drbraininflated: "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
01:00:03squeegyi see that now
01:00:03drbrainit should print out that
01:00:36squeegyi was just looking for errors or warnings.
01:01:05drbrainyour error may not be in zlib, however
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01:29:11rueHeading to bed. Fruitful day today
01:30:16squeegyrue: cool
01:30:35squeegyrue: sleep well
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02:53:36headiusevan: around?
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03:25:03boyscout5 commits by Eric Hodel
03:25:04boyscout * Add Zlib::Deflate#set_dictionary; 2a6446b
03:25:04boyscout * Implement Zlib::Deflate#params, separate deflation from #deflate; 3801a28
03:25:05boyscout * Implement ZStream#flush_next_out and Inflate#<<; c7732c9
03:25:06boyscout * Add some RDoc from MRI, some RDoc for our methods; 055e8c2
03:25:07boyscout * Confine to 80 characters; f98cd6a
03:25:13seydarawesome!
03:25:27seydari was looking at those tickets today
03:25:27drbrainseydar: you need a rubyspecs commit
03:25:31drbraincommit bit
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03:26:02seydari totally do
03:26:16seydarwhy, though? just because?
03:26:17drbrainfbuilesv: moved your commit over
03:26:31drbrainotherwise your spec changes will disappear
03:27:25seydarok. I was looking at your docs earlier today, and so i just need to give you my github name, right?
03:27:34seydarwhat about my previous commits though?
03:27:39drbrainnot me, I think brixen
03:27:49drbrainwell, you made them in rubinius
03:28:00seydarah, i should commit them to ruby-spec as well!
03:28:01seydargotcha
03:28:05drbrainwhen the specs stuff should go on the rubyspecs project
03:28:12drbrainwork was good, just in the wrong spot
03:28:17drbrainno, only to rubyspecs
03:28:23drbrainyou have a github account, right?
03:28:31seydari do as of yesterday!
03:28:59seydarusername is 'seydar'
03:29:25drbrainbrixen: ping
03:29:28rubuildius_ppcEric Hodel: 2a6446b07; 2536 files, 8417 examples, 28058 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
03:29:37drbrainbrixen: can you add seydar to the rubyspecs project?
03:30:07seydarwhats the project called on github?
03:30:29drbrainrubyspec
03:30:51drbrainthen you will need to `rake spec:committer`
03:31:12drbrainseydar: oh, and one more thing
03:31:28drbrainyou should make sure your commit message wraps at 80 lines
03:31:42seydarrighto
03:32:23rubuildius_ey64Eric Hodel: 2a6446b07; 2536 files, 8418 examples, 28036 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
03:33:12seydarrake spec:commiter AFTER brixen pings back?
03:33:23drbrainseydar: yeah
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03:33:39drbrainwell, you could run it now, it'll just complain if you try to spec:update
03:33:59seydaralrighty. back to work for me
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03:34:20seydargot myself a nice little job coding in ruby
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03:34:32seydarand yurts don't buy themselves
03:35:58rubuildius_amd64Eric Hodel: 2a6446b07; 2536 files, 8418 examples, 28038 expectations, 0 failures, 0 errors
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03:46:05drbrainmy cousin spent some time in a yurt
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04:10:33seydarrumor has it something is weird with Kernel#autoload? anyone else heard of this?
04:11:00drbrainI'd heard such an old rumor
04:12:08seydardid the old wizards speak not of such a beast?
04:12:34seydarmine eyes tell me that there be some odd recursion in it... the endless sort....
04:12:36drbrainwe thought we'd slain it
04:12:52seydarit lives
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04:13:09seydarye be familiar with farmer argv[]'s yard?
04:14:00seydarrunning it under rubinius makes it lose all stack space given by the Great System who Operates
04:14:31seydar(fills up all space on my terminal, so getting some output for pastie is a smidgen difficult)
04:15:20drbrainI don't understand, can you paste something?
04:15:23seydari shall try again, good sir
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04:15:54drbrainnow that you have a ruby job you have to come to rubyconf
04:16:22seydari know!
04:16:26seydari should claim it as an expense
04:16:58seydargo to GoRuCo, its easier for me to go to
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04:17:07seydarsince, ya know, its not 1000 miles away
04:17:08drbrainyeah
04:17:24seydaryou go there?
04:17:33drbrainI think you could get some donations at least for airfare
04:17:38drbrainI've been to both
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04:21:22seydarreally?
04:21:26seydarpeople would donate?
04:21:39seydar"please give me money so i can go to a really fun thing"
04:21:41seydarhttp://pastie.org/230403
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04:21:49seydarit used to be 500kb, but i trimmed it
04:22:39seydarmy plan is to pounce on headius's duby and build a translator with it, and then get invited to give talks on it.
04:23:08seydari'll hold the code hostage for a job or plane ticket
04:25:37drbrainwhat command did you run?
04:25:52brixenseydar: add ya to rubyspec
04:25:57brixener added*
04:25:58seydarshotgun/rubinius ~/local/lib/ruby/......
04:26:05seydarbrixen: sweetsauce
04:26:52drbrainseydar: I can see you ran yard, but we won't donate anything if you don't help us fix autoload
04:27:08seydarso i can just run rake spec:update to push my spec changes?
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04:27:31seydardrbrain: im on it sir. its not like i have to rewrite 1 week's worth of code in 2 hours
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04:28:00drbrainseydar: rake spec:committer first, of course
04:28:04drbrainthen spec:update
04:28:07seydarof course
04:28:15drbrainthen rake spec:push
04:28:30seydarsupah yea!
04:28:45seydaruhoh, it says i've got nothing to commit
04:28:47seydar:-O
04:29:08drbrainit's obviously recursive, but you should print out what name and scope are
04:29:16drbrainunless you just wrote a spec, you probably don't
04:30:09seydarhow can i push my specs from last night/way early this morning?
04:30:53seydarcant fix autoload now, unfortunately. so dont start it without me! i'll be back here thursday night.
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04:33:43seydarregarding specs: http://pastie.org/230412
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04:37:00drbrainI think we already took care of that
04:37:24drbrainso, don't worry about the specs you committed to rubinius
04:37:38seydarkk
04:38:24seydardo you work for EY?
04:38:36drbrainyup
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04:40:22seydarthats so cool! i wish i could work there
04:40:33seydarbut, ya know, 8 years till i need an actual job
04:40:52seydar2 until copyright lawyers dont give people headaches
04:40:53DefilerIs this what is keeping kids off the streets these days? :)
04:41:21seydarDefiler: no, i got a kilo of blow sitting next to me
04:41:47Defileryeah the guard dogs will eat it if you don't guard it with that handgun you got from the mexican
04:41:55Defileraah, youth
04:41:57seydarhahaha too true
04:42:24seydarthere are people up here who _actually watch for illegal CANADIAN immigrants_
04:42:28DefilerIt's a man's life, growing up in Neo Space Texas
04:43:02drbrainhaha
04:43:26drbrainI actually know an illegal canadian immigrant
04:43:31drbrainwell, was
04:43:32seydarseriously?
04:43:33seydarhaha
04:44:12seydari neeeed to go to rubyconf
04:44:19seydari dont want to wait till november though
04:46:46seydaryou should all go to GoRuCo this coming april
04:46:58seydarwhat would it take to start a ruby conference?
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04:52:21drbraina space, and lots of time to organize
04:52:29drbrainyou can get a grant from rubycentral
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04:55:34seydarnice nice nice!
04:55:44seydarthat sound like something i could do
04:55:52seydarWhite Mountain Ruby Conf
04:56:45seydari wonder what i'd need to organize. speakers, chairs, space... talk to confreaks.... what else?
04:57:38drbrainthat's the majority of it
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04:57:50drbrainit's fairly time-consuming getting all that set up, though
04:58:06seydari guess i should give it a shot
04:58:16seydari mean hey, if it works, i'll be gold to colleges
04:58:48seydar"yea i planned a 500 person conference for two years running"
05:00:18seydarsweet. i'm gonna start making some phone calls / emails, starting in a month
05:03:15seydarwho here is psyched for gencon this year?
05:07:04drbrainwhat's gencon?
05:09:18seydarasdkjhf23 STAY INSIDE MORE
05:09:29seydarGenCon is the premier gaming convention
05:09:57seydarDungeons and Dragons, Mutants and Masterminds, Fate 3.0, Evil Hat, ALL the best gaming companies will be there
05:10:10seydarand D&D 4e comes out. i'm s0 ready for it
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05:12:15fbuilesvseydar: Someone probably told you already but your specs were moved from Rubinius to Rubyspecs yesterday, talk to brixen to get your commit bit there
05:12:34seydarfbuilesv: yea, i was. but thanks anyways!
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05:12:54seydari have two commit bits! i feel like a rockstar - hard drugs + commit bits
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05:15:57seydarah, having a conf in NH is a bitch because the nearest major airport is 1.5 hrs away
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05:19:55seydaroh well, i'll try anyways
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05:20:09fbuilesvheadius: around?
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05:31:42seydarlater everyone
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07:15:22headiusfbuilesv: I am now
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08:02:19masswaves
08:02:38tarcierisup
08:02:48massnot too much
08:03:30tarcieriSo today I noticed two identical hashes have different Hash#hashes :/
08:03:48massa hash of a hash?
08:04:19tarcieriyeah, like using a hash as a hash key
08:05:05tarcieri>> h1 = {:totally => :thesame}; h2 = {:totally => :thesame}; h = {}; h[h1] = :baz; h[h2] = :qux; h
08:05:05tarcieri=> {{:totally=>:thesame}=>:baz, {:totally=>:thesame}=>:qux}
08:05:13massso its a problem with metahashes? ;-)
08:05:30tarcieriAFAICT, Hash#hash is just an alias for Hash#object_id
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08:06:14massyeah, thats the probable default
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08:06:39tarcieriyeah, it's just kind of weird inconsistent beavior if you look at, say, fixnums in comparison
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08:06:48tarcierithe objects have identity independent of their value
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10:57:25rueMorning
10:58:36zenspiderhey rue
10:58:40zenspiderhow goes?
11:00:10rueVery morningy
11:00:51rueThis Apache summer camp sucks
11:01:57zenspiderapache summer camp??
11:04:07rueYeah, it is where you go into a dark room and wrestle with horrible C code and atrocious design
11:04:18rueAnd there is no girls' camp
11:06:58rueBut I got a Wii since neelance got things working :P
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11:14:31zenspiderhaha
11:14:43zenspiderthat sounds like... fun?
11:15:32zenspiderok. I'm wiped... bed time
11:15:36rueNites
11:15:46rueI think I will steal an hour to plan a campaign
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16:27:55headiusdrbrain: wmeissner got a few more fixes in for jruby-ffi
16:27:59headiusnew zlib results: 77 files, 26 examples, 67 expectations, 3 failures, 0 errors
16:28:05headiuslooking into those last three now
16:28:13NoKarmacool :)
16:28:20headiusyeah!
16:28:39djwhittanyone working on FFI for MRI or 1.9?
16:28:43headiusonce zlib is 100% I think it's reasonable to release it and announce jruby supports ffi
16:29:04headiusdjwhitt: I told wmeissner it would be great for him to do that, and I think he's going to
16:29:32djwhittheadius: awesome. it would be awesome to be able to share new FFI extensions across all Ruby implementations
16:29:49headiushaving written JNA, JFFI/jruby-ffi, and a subtend layer for JRuby, I think he's qualified
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16:43:41DefilerThat will be nice. I look forward to being able to write something once for all the platforms
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16:45:01TheProkrammerAll this zlib talk reminds me to get cracking on zliby again.
16:46:00TheProkrammerSomehow I don't think the compression is going to be as fun as the decompression was though.
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16:52:49NoKarmawow, didn't know that Jruby has it's own subtend layer
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16:56:03djwhittNoKarma: don't think it does. that zlib library is using ffi
16:56:38NoKarma"...and a subtend layer for JRuby..." <- that's what headius just said
16:56:46djwhittoh, heh
16:56:48djwhittmissed that
16:56:49djwhittnm
16:56:50NoKarma;)
16:57:05DefilerYou're right though that they are not using it for zlib, though
16:57:09Defilerthough
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17:20:47evanallo!
17:21:15Defilerhail!
17:21:24brixenguten tag
17:24:27evanabby used up all the coffee grounds and didn't buy anymore while I was gone
17:24:40evanso i'm about to go get some joe at the local coffee spring
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17:26:07DefilerDip your bronzed hand into the running stream and draw back a handfull of nectar, eh?
17:26:19DefilerMust be nice over there in Xanadu
17:26:27nexcastellanBuy coffee beans and grind them yourself! Much tastier. Also, 35% cream. :)
17:26:54evanyeah, i need to buy a grinder.
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17:29:55DefilerHaving it handle the measuring for you is another nice benefit
17:30:14DefilerNo clumsy manipulations with little plastic spoons
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17:34:31evanDefiler: yeah, what year is this again? I should have a coffee robot by now, so i can have coffee right before I take off in my jet pack.
17:35:26Defilerhell yeah
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17:35:31Defileryour jet pack should have a coffee nozzle
17:35:45Defiler(also)
17:35:59DefilerI mean you have to get woken up enough to operate the pack, but once you are going, you don't want to be without coffee
17:38:01evanexactly.
17:38:05evanwell, i should head to the coffee font.
17:38:09evanbbiab.
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17:45:43dbussinkDefiler: happy to be back home?
17:46:03rueWtf, some of my peas are opened
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17:47:21Defilerdbussink: Yes, though the trip was super excellent
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17:47:30Defilerbut it was getting a little long in the tooth
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17:50:21dbussinkah well, as long as good experience is on top :)
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18:02:06dbussinkevan: did you see my change in the cpp branch?
18:02:21dbussinkevan: afaik it's ok, but i'd like a heads up
18:04:14ljulliarworking on the implementation of the ARGF class
18:04:50ljulliarAfter reading the readme developer it is not clear to me whether one MUST use ivar_as_index or SHOULD use
18:05:18ljulliarI have a number of class variables and don't know what to do with it
18:07:21brixenljulliar: ivar_as_index is a notation that maps something that looks like an ivar to a slot in the object
18:07:30brixenthey are not normal instance vars
18:07:44ljulliarnor class var ?
18:08:23brixennope
18:08:31brixentake a peek at lib/compiler/system_hints.rb
18:08:32ljulliarso I should probably keep the usual @@ notation
18:08:39brixenyeah
18:08:42brixenthat's totally different
18:08:48ljulliarthanks!
18:09:02brixensure
18:09:37brixenljulliar: just fyi, the ivar_as_index notation is most likely going away
18:09:48brixenslots/fields will be accessed with methods
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18:15:45ljulliarShould I place the spec for kernel/core/argf.rb in spec/core/io/argf.rb ?
18:16:44evanmmm, there is a wonderful marine layer over all of LA, keeping the temperature in the high 60s
18:17:03ruedbussink: The static variables are not really the prettiest solution to begin with but other than that it is TRT
18:17:59headiushey hey!
18:17:59headiusgood news
18:18:09headiusjruby-ffi running rbx zlib has the same failures as running under rbx
18:18:11brixenljulliar: core/argf.rb
18:18:22headiusI think that's good enough to do a 0.0.1 jruby-ffi release
18:18:26ljulliargood!
18:19:06evanheadius: wonderful!
18:19:29headiusI'll ping wmeissner later on mri-ffi progress and let you know
18:20:10evangreat
18:20:13scoopr'ffin fantastic
18:20:19evanwe should get mri-ffi released as a gem then
18:20:23headiusyeah
18:20:36headiusthough one thing I ran into is that it's hard to release things like zlib as gems :)
18:20:42headiussince rubygems needs zlib
18:20:46evanyeah.
18:20:54headiusbut for other stuff, sure
18:21:20evanwell, for both of us, the hope is that having the API will give people an outlet to write new gems with it
18:21:25evanthat will just work under jruby and rbx
18:21:33headiusyeah
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18:21:45DefilerAt this point gems just have to be built in
18:21:52headiusthe right way to sell this is a way to call C libs without tying yourself to just MRI/KRI
18:22:13scooprbtw. in the cpp branch in the vm dir, rake build gives me no such file ffi.h, did I miss a step?
18:22:16headius"Why would you write an extension that can't run on any of the new impls?"
18:22:38scooprhow about windows support?
18:22:40headius"What are you, stupid? Did they put alcohol in your test tube?"
18:22:45evanscoopr: no, the build process is a broken.
18:22:59evanscoopr: do "cd external_libs/libffi; ./configure; cd -"
18:23:04evanshould work then
18:23:08scoopraight, thanks
18:23:55ljulliarbrixen: are you sure about the location?
18:24:09ljulliarall spec files seem to have their own subdir right now?
18:24:20ljulliarspec/core/argf/argf.rb ?
18:24:29evanyay! argf specs!
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18:24:55ljulliarevan: coming soon... hopefully!
18:25:04brixenljulliar: ah yes, misunderstood
18:25:17ljulliarnot the prettiest piece of C code I have seen....
18:25:18brixenljulliar: go ahead and put it in the subdir
18:25:28evanljulliar: ha! no.
18:25:29evan:D
18:26:13ljulliarok so: spec/core/argf/argf.rb
18:26:30brixenljulliar: well, they should go in rubyspec, right?
18:26:37brixenI mean, this isn't rubinius specific
18:26:48evanyeah
18:26:55evanspec/1.8/core/argf/*.rb
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18:26:57ljulliarstupid me! you are right
18:27:22brixenI'm not sure why we don't have a stub for it
18:27:36evancause is so rarely used.
18:28:09brixenwell, mkspec should have created it
18:28:25brixenahh, or not, it looks for class/modules in Object
18:28:34evanyeah
18:28:40evanARGF is a singleton object
18:28:44evanwith a bunch of methods added
18:28:44brixenyeah
18:28:46evanprototype style
18:29:00brixenljulliar: so, rubyspec/1.8/core/argf directory
18:29:10brixenljulliar: what's your github username?
18:29:26ljulliarljulliar
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18:30:11brixenljulliar: heh, ok
18:30:32brixenljulliar: do you have a rbx commit bit?
18:31:32ljulliarno sorry I'm not yet on github
18:31:39brixenahh ok
18:31:55ljulliarShall i create one?
18:31:56brixenbut have you done a patch and gotten a commit bit for rubinius yet?
18:32:06ljulliarI was thinking of doing a patch
18:32:13ljulliarI don't the commit bit yet
18:32:14brixenyeah, you'll want a github account so you can commit to the specs
18:32:22ljulliarok
18:32:35ljulliarbut he commit bit is a different thing, right?
18:32:52brixenok, well you can post a ticket here for rubyspec: http://rubyspec.org/projects/rubyspec/issues/new
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18:33:20brixenwell, if you do the work for a rubinius commit bit (or jruby etc), I'll give you a rubyspec commit bit
18:33:45brixenthe rubinius repo on github is a mirror, the main repo is not there
18:34:10brixenbut the rubyspec repo is on github
18:34:31brixenljulliar: have you read through this: http://rubinius.lighthouseapp.com/projects/5089/howto-develop-with-a-separate-rubyspec-repo
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18:42:03ljulliarevan: just posted a ticket on ruspec syaing I'm working on ruby spec for ARGF
18:42:06ljulliarmy username is ljullar
18:42:44evanok
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18:48:27scooprmm, cpp branch rake test gave a lots of fails in test_task and some from test_message and test_event
18:50:03evanyaeh
18:50:08evanthe tests are blown up currently
18:50:14evanbecause of the LLVM integration
18:50:17evani'm working on fixing that today
18:51:26scooprok
18:51:30scooprso it's not me
18:51:43evanno, it's not.
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19:21:54rueBah, I fixed something by accident and then reverted :P
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19:42:43headiushey fyi
19:42:43headiushttp://pastie.org/230874
19:42:51headiuspretty nice rbx perf there
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19:43:39drbrainheadius: http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/show/239
19:43:48headiusthis is from http://blog.dhananjaynene.com/2008/07/performance-comparison-c-java-python-ruby-jython-jruby-groov y/
19:44:05evanheadius: oh nice.
19:44:07drbrainI'm not sure how your zlib is implemented currently, so I was wondering if you had that bug too
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19:44:37headiusdrbrain: checking
19:46:40headiushmm it doesn't blow up but the output doesn't look right
19:47:33drbrainshould get a-z back for inflated:
19:47:44headiusyeah deflated is coming out empty
19:48:06headiusmight be some other issue with our deflate
19:48:33drbrainI wrote a spec for it too
19:48:42headiushmmm
19:48:45drbrainso I suppose you'll get around to it eventually
19:48:49headiuswell I'll file a bug for it
19:51:00headiusdrbrain: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/JRUBY-2772
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19:52:53headiusalso although I was able to get the zlib specs to pass as well as in rubinius, I couldn't use ffi zlib to install a gem
19:53:00headiusonce that works we'll put out a jruby-ffi release
19:53:06headiusbbl, gone fishin
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19:54:59drbrainoh, there may be a hack in rubygems about that
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19:58:25headiusoh really?
19:58:29headiuswhat hack?
19:59:16headiusit was trying to read_string from a fixnum when I ran it
19:59:28headiusI figured it was jrffi returning a fixnum somewhere it's supposed to return a pointer
19:59:32drbrainrubygems/package/tar_input.rb
19:59:38drbrain#zipped_stream
20:00:28drbrainI know that our Zlib doesn't have the bug that #zipped_stream is working around
20:00:33headiushmmm
20:00:49headiuswell I'll play with it later
20:00:57headiusdoesn't seem like this is it since
20:01:10headiusI'm making no modifications to rbx zlib.rb other than hardcoding the version number
20:01:42VVSizhttp://github.com/vvs/rubygems/tree/master/lib/rubygems/package/tar_input.rb#L203
20:01:49VVSizheh :)
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20:03:45drbrainyeah, stupid windows
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20:51:49rueHm, I wonder..
20:52:03rueMeh. Time to rewrite the Rakefile
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21:02:34VVSizheh... http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewAndNoteWorthyMilestone1NB65#section-NewAndNoteWorthyMilestone1NB65-Rub y
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21:02:53VVSizwhat's new in NetBeans 6.5RC1: "Rubinius Support"
21:04:03Defilerwhoa
21:04:10jbarnetteO.o
21:04:29tarcieri?
21:04:37tarcieriwhat does that mean?
21:05:08VVSizthere is now a platform manager in netbeans where you could configure which Ruby interpreter to use
21:05:14VVSizbe it MRI, JRuby, and now Rubinius
21:06:00tarcieriaah
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21:38:08rueevan: Have you thought about what to do with LLVM distribution-wise?
21:38:21evana little, not much yet.
21:39:16rueI suppose offering a bundle for those who need it and the slim version for those who do not might work
21:39:30evanit could
21:39:38evanwe could have a version in external_libs
21:39:45evanand detect if we should build it or not.
21:39:45DefilerI think that is best
21:40:02Defileror at least a submodule like the specs
21:40:08evanit can be configured to create a more slim build
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21:48:24rueLLVM is fun, I went through a couple of the transformations
21:48:55jbarnettei finally finished a clone of the LLVM repo; it's hefty
21:49:57brixenDefiler: what's the status of running rspec with rbx?
21:50:35Defilerworks pretty well but I hadn't yet gotten it passing all the specs
21:50:40DefilerI'm going to work on that again soon though
21:50:40brixenok, cool
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22:10:58seydarwould i be allowed to redo all (most?) of rubinius's rdoc comments in yard?
22:11:23seydaras in, so that they're parsed by the yardoc tool
22:12:04evani'd prefer not
22:12:10evanyard can read rdoc i thought
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22:13:11seydarit probably can. bout 1000 lines are borrowed from rdoc!
22:13:55seydarwhat i'd like to do is be able to include markdown in comments, and i know that yard can. if rdoc can too, thatd be awesomesauce as well
22:14:21evanrdoc can be made to understand markdown pretty easily
22:14:30evani'd prefer we not use yard right now
22:14:42rueFamous last words
22:14:57evani'm famous for famous last words.
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22:15:39seydarevan: do you have a cowboy hat? you should get one
22:15:59evanI used to have one
22:16:04evanand cowboy boots.
22:16:14evanthat was a number of years ago.
22:17:19seydarwhen you were 5, or a little older?
22:17:35evanno, when I was like 12
22:17:49brixenyard is an odd name for a doc tool :/
22:18:34jbarnettebrixen: expand acronym :)
22:18:58brixenyet another retarded doc'er?
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22:19:16seydari *think* R could mean ruby
22:19:17brixengoogles
22:19:23brixenseydar: ahh, makes sense
22:19:41Defileryowling angry risen dead
22:20:00brixenyer all really dapper
22:20:16seydaryay
22:20:20seydara ruby documentor
22:20:20Defileryoung and refined dudes
22:20:55seydarno, its yay! a ruby documenter
22:21:15brixenhah, you ain't ready, dude (for this shizzle)
22:21:38brixensorry, fo'
22:21:51brixenworks on his accent
22:22:04jbarnetteYARD's Acronym Resists Deduction
22:22:09seydarfo rill
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22:22:40brixenI bet ezmobius knows
22:22:45brixenezmobius: what's yard stand for?
22:22:52seydaryay! a ruby documenter
22:23:26seydarhttp://github.com/lsegal/yard/tree/master
22:24:25ezmobiusbrixen: in wht context?
22:24:30ezmobiusoh
22:24:32brixenezmobius: doc tool
22:24:32ezmobiusyet another ruby documentation (system)
22:24:48ezmobiusyup its like yarv, yrd stands for yet another rubydoc
22:24:56brixenyeah, yardt, rhymes with shart, according to the official repository blurb ;)
22:25:15seydarrighto. the github page is incorrect?
22:25:33seydarwe should ping argv[] and let him know that he has the acronym all wrong
22:25:34rueDocumenter
22:25:47tarcieriyard?
22:26:10brixentarcieri: http://github.com/lsegal/yard/tree/master
22:26:43tarcieriiinteresting
22:26:56tarcierihaha, Yay A Ruby Documentation Tool?
22:27:10brixenyeah, yardt :P
22:27:18seydartarcieri: no, the github page is wrong.
22:27:21brixensounds german
22:28:38seydara hyphen is typically the tool used to keep an extra letter from being appended to the acronym
22:29:57seydardrbrain: what would have to be done to make rdoc parse markdown?
22:31:30drbrainright now, lots
22:32:34seydaruhoh
22:32:46drbrainit would be easy to add it for whole files
22:32:51drbrainbut not for comments
22:33:04seydarwhat if it parsed *all* comments in one format?
22:34:08drbrainit's the auto-link behavior of rdoc that I'm concerned with
22:34:26drbrainI don't know how easy it would be to pass that through markdown
22:34:38drbrainand, how to make markdown work with ri
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22:37:32rueI still think a new toolchain is in order, drbrain. Even with your good efforts the genetic burden of rdoc is just too much for one mammal race to bear..
22:38:05drbrainrue: well, I've not spent much time at all on it
22:38:09brixenrecruit the marsupials
22:38:16drbrainevan has been keeping me off of rdoc
22:39:14evanif time needs to be spent on it
22:39:15evanlet me know
22:39:22evanso we can put in on the schedule
22:40:37drbrainit's one of my bugs for this milestone
22:40:43drbrainbut I've been doing some zlib stuff instead
22:40:50drbrainI'm going to spend thur/fri poking in it
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22:47:23evanok
22:47:47rueI dunno. I just do not think RDoc is salvageable. So if yard works nicely, it might be a good option.
22:49:54evanyard I think requires sydparse
22:50:01evanwhich i doubt runs under subtend
22:50:04evanif it does, wow.
22:51:45rueHeh
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22:52:27drbrainrue: don't underestimate my skill with a code-scalpel :)
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22:59:04seydarhey, keep violence to a minimum
22:59:42drbrainseydar: everybody has enjoyed the surgery I've given RDoc so far
22:59:54seydaroh, that kind of scalpel
23:00:21drbrainseydar: did you read http://rubinius.lighthouseapp.com/projects/5089/howto-develop-with-a-separate-rubyspec-repo
23:00:22seydari thought you mean like "i'm going to scalp you" and i was like "gah mommy"
23:00:24drbrain?
23:00:40seydarno. reading it now, though
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23:01:51rueHm, long LLVM post on -dev
23:02:29seydarrue: link?
23:04:41rueWonder who it could have been.. :P
23:05:22drbrainmailing list is http://groups.google.com/group/rubinius-dev?hl=en
23:05:28drbraincorundum: rubinius mailing list?
23:05:29corundumyou best check yo'self!
23:05:41seydardrbrain: to be honest, i didnt know that rubinius and rubyspec were that intertwined till last night
23:05:45drbraincorundum: rubinius mailing list is http://groups.google.com/group/rubinius-dev?hl=en
23:05:46corundumdone
23:06:04drbrainit's a relatively recent development
23:06:50drbrainwell, since the time you've been working on rubinius
23:06:58rueUgh, nm. Just r2e being stupid as usual. Although I am not sure why this just arrived on a feed now: http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/05/23/simple-vm-jit-with-llvm/
23:07:23rueI need to find something better than r2e. I am with zenspider about not doing any RSS parsing myself :P
23:07:26evanrue: weird.
23:08:17rueMaybe the comment from the 8th bounced it up
23:08:21rue*shrug
23:09:00tarcierir2e?
23:09:13ruetarcieri: rss2email
23:09:43tarcieriaah
23:09:58loincloth leaves the room.
23:12:33evanrue: probably
23:12:46evanwait, thats june 8th
23:12:48evannot july 8th.
23:15:34rueIndeed. Perhaps internet gnomes
23:15:50rue1. Deliver old RSS messages 2. ??? 3. PROFIT!
23:16:04ljulliar leaves the room.
23:17:47evanheh
23:17:54seydari dont understand what to do for step 2 though
23:18:14seydarthe ??? hide their secrets
23:18:25binary42 enters the room.
23:19:02drbrainseydar: you need to watch the episode again
23:20:01seydarwhoa, what episode?
23:20:24seydari see that 1.asdf 2. ??? 3. profit thing all over the tubes
23:20:31seydarbut i just assumed it was bloggers being retarded
23:20:36evanwow.
23:20:39seydaris blog a weird word for anyone else?
23:20:43evandid south park pass a whole generation by?
23:20:47enebo leaves the room.
23:20:50drbrainsec
23:21:00seydari have only recently started watching SP
23:21:02drbrainhttp://mrtwig.net/ep/217.html
23:21:14drbrainwell, this episode came on when seydar was five or six
23:21:20enebo enters the room.
23:21:36seydarim not sure whether thats a worthy defense.
23:21:44seydarOMG IS THIS UNDERWEAR GNOMES WITH TWEAK?
23:22:20drbrainyes
23:22:31drbrainI think it's the second appearance of tweek
23:23:15nexcastellanI have a rather hard-to-track-down scope problem. The following paste shows the problem. http://rafb.net/p/TM3fev86.html
23:23:51nexcastellan(In other news, we can now load, though probably not run-without-problems, rmagick, for those who have been away recently).
23:24:18seydargratz on the rmagick bit
23:24:28evannexcastellan: so, you can run it a little bit?
23:24:38evanthats a GIANT MEGA AWESOME HUGE win if so
23:25:16nexcastellanWell, I can run LOAD rmagick. i'm subsequently dying on the scoping problem I pasted above, so I doubt any rmagick stuff is actually happening. Still, getting it to load felt good.
23:25:54nexcastellanUnless I get tasked with something else, we will eventually be able to run Rmagick. Heck, it may not even take much more work. :)
23:26:24evani don't see what the problem is
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23:26:37nexcastellanEvan, RMI and Rubinius give different results.
23:26:37evanyou're pastie doesn't indicate what is failing
23:26:43evanwhat results?
23:26:56nexcastellanRMI doesn't print "FAIL" anywhere, Rubinius prints "FAIL 2"
23:26:58evanyou say
23:27:01evan"will not trigger"
23:27:04evanwill not trigger what?
23:27:15nexcastellanWill trigger the puts statement.
23:27:36evanSo, Array#== is broken
23:27:37evanit would seem.
23:27:44evandoesn't seem like scope in the least
23:27:52nexcastellanI'm not so sure.
23:27:58evanhow would it be scope?
23:28:01evanwhat is being scoped?
23:28:13nexcastellanv and self.v should be the same item at that point. v.object_id == self.v.object_id in MRI, not in Rubinius.
23:28:30seydard'oh. you're overwriting the variable
23:28:30evanoh
23:28:33evanfucking variable scope
23:28:34evani see.
23:28:37evanARGTASTIC.
23:28:38seydarremember how MRI overwrites?
23:28:42evani thought we fixed that.
23:28:48evanno, MRI doesn't overwrite it
23:28:55seydar?? how so?
23:28:58evanin MRI, the v local to the block isn't seen below
23:29:07evanthe v, below the block, is a vcall to the attr
23:29:11nexcastellanYes. That's what I'm seeing.
23:29:14seydarah. so i'm extra dumb
23:29:30drbrainno, it is a tricky point
23:29:41evanyeah
23:29:46evanthis is a tricky one
23:29:51evanwe've fixed cases like it before
23:29:55evannot sure why it's appeared again
23:30:03nexcastellanActual